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my name is stephen cambion also known as

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the mystery man

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because who better

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than a magician

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a man

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trained in the art of deception and

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misdirection

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a man of mystery

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to investigate for you some of the

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greatest mysteries on planet earth

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and try

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to bring you

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the truth

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tonight we have an incredible show

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for the first time in a mystery man show

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we're going to reveal the truth behind

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a mystery that has been going on since

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that's right in another mystery man

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exclusive we are finally going to reveal

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the real truth behind the alien

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interview

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did a government whistleblower really

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sneak out footage of an alien being

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for 20 years now people have debated

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whether this video was real

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or just

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an elaborate created hoax

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in order to make money i suppose

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the whistleblower an anonymous source

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who called himself victor

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challenged people in 2008 to debunk this

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video to prove it was fake

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and to reveal his true identity

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so far

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no one has been able to do any of that

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but tonight

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tonight i'm proud to tell you that after

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an exhaustive investigation

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i can definitively prove the truth

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behind this alien interview

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and i'm here to tell you that the

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results of this

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investigation have been shocking

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don't you want to know the truth of this

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mystery

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let's find out

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so in the 1990s two films were released

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that were allegedly

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about aliens

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the first and far more famous was the

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alien autopsy film

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now that film in 1995 before being

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exposed as a complete and total fraud

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and a hoax

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it was

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sold to a bunch of different television

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networks and it ended up being

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broadcast on television in

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30 or more countries

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it was a big deal everybody was talking

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about it and

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but it was

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quite quickly revealed to be

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a hoax and later

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the person who was responsible for that

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all but admitted that it was just a hoax

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to make money

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now the second film which was far less

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famous but i'm sure still made tons of

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money

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especially because they're still selling

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documentary in fact that's exactly it an

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hour-long document documentary

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later uh you know they sold these dvds

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of this thing of the documentary

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and they have been selling that

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documentary ever since

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is kind of a controversial figure

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because he's an anonymous source

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footage of an alien being interviewed at

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area 51 out of s4 which is a facility

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that everybody says is in area 51 where

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they work on the alien back engineering

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projects of flying saucers and where

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they hold the aliens

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i don't know hold them captive

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this film unlike the alien autopsy film

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no one has ever really proven

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that anyone hoaxed

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no one's ever found any evidence of

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deliberate uh

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i don't know deception on the part of

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the producers of this thing

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of course no one's ever found out who

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this victor person really was and

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i ran a commercial recording studio for

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some time and i can tell you

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that it was simply a pitch shifter it

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takes the the speaker's voice and

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pitches it down a bunch

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so that you can't

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voice disguisers in movies or things

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like that

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these voice disguisers are very common

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and i would encourage you if you really

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want to see this thing and see what all

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the hype was about back in the 90s you

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could look it up on youtube and watch

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the whole thing really

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it's called area 51 the alien interview

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and if you really want the full

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experience

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look for area 51 the alien interview

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special edition

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now i could explain a lot to you about

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this but i think there's a person named

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dr michael sala

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who works on exopolitics he has a

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website

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exopolitics.org and he has a whole

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so i'm going to read you what he says

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about the video and this is written by

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him in 1997 an anonymous whistleblower

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calling himself victor came forward to

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tell a fantastic story about a captured

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alien held at a remote u.s facility near

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area 51 nevada called s4

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what made victor different was that he

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had a video to prove that what he was

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he goes on to say that experts have

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analyzed the video frame by frame and

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are still divided over its

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authenticity

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jim dillatosa remember this name

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jim dillatosa a highly respected image

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analyst did not find any evidence of

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fraud in his frame by frame analysis of

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the video

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the uh the documentary showing what he

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found and analyzing the video

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and they say in this article

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highly respected image analyst and that

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he did not find any evidence of fraud in

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his frame by frame analysis

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dr salla goes on to write that on the

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other hand a hollywood special effects

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expert believed the video used a puppet

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so um

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the video itself takes place in the

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darkened room where a large-headed

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creature with big black eyes appearing

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like a classic gray alien is being

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interviewed

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two individuals appear to be conducting

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the interview

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one is

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allegedly a general asking questions

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while the other is a telepathic

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communicator relaying the aliens

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responses

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he goes on to say victor does not

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provide many specifics about his work at

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the s forces facility where the video

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interview occurred he claims he came

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into possession of a digital version of

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the video after it had been transferred

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from the original analog version and

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that victor smuggled the digital copy

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out of the s-force

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facility and made a vha vhs copy which

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he took to various major news networks

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to have it released

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but interestingly i suppose no major

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news networks wanted it so it became a

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sort of a tabloid documentary

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but i as i recall it was on fox as a

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special and they hyped this thing up

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like you wouldn't believe kind of like

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alien autopsy video it was like hyped

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for a long time and again

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this film was not as famous or as

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popular as the alien autopsy video

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it came out after the alien autopsy

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video but i believe before that

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dr michael sal goes on to say there are

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aspects of victor's role that

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immediately raise suspicion over whether

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he was truly acting alone victor used

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voice distortion software to hide his

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voice in the two interviews he did with

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rocket pictures and coast to coast am

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he claims he did so to protect his

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anonymity yet it also ensures that his

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identity in history can't be

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independently confirmed

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most importantly victor says that he

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traveled to major news companies such as

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so here we have some background and like

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i said i invite you to watch the whole

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honestly i believe it's entertaining

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it's very entertaining it's a great

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story

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but where i have a problem is

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where is the proof of any of these

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where is the proof

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of

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anything that this victor person says

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you know

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i've talked to many different sources

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and some of them have said hey you know

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i'll give you this information but i

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need to remain anonymous and some of

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them do that for good reason they could

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lose their job you know if they have

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security clearance they signed

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non-non-disclosure agreements

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but if you watch the video this guy

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victor comes off like a bad james bond

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film villain like i've heard somebody

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else say that i think it's really really

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accurate description of this victor guy

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you know he's in shadow

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and uh in the in the updated interview

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this victor person did a new interview

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in 2008 which i found particularly

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entertaining because he's saying nobody

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ever debunked this film and nobody could

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ever prove my identity and i challenge

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you to do that so we put out a public

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challenge this person in 2008 for

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somebody to prove that he was

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a hoaxer or

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and like i said nobody has been able to

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prove that this victor person who this

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victor person really is and it's amazing

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to me because there's some very

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resourceful investigators in the field

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of ufology or people that study ufos and

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aliens and things like that

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and i was amazed when i started digging

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into this you know i looked at what else

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did everybody do and some people have

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sort of

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analyzed the video frame by frame or

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done some kind of analysis of uh you

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know the actual

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supposed alien interview but if you

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watch this whole documentary

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it's a whole bunch of hype and then they

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give you like two minutes of this

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footage maybe a little more i'm sorry i

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don't have my notes you know but it's a

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it's it's

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less than five minutes of

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actual footage of this supposed alien

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uh

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you know that

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so so they have an hour show

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which really only includes five minutes

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of the supposed alien interview

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that made me suspicious right away and

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there's some other things that make me

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very suspicious the film's very very

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dark

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and this victor person said that was for

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the comfort of the aliens

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but i don't know i would i would tend to

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think that if you were filming an alien

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from another planet uh you would want to

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light it really well

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it's also interesting to me

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you know i'm very familiar with puppets

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and how puppets work and

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one of the things with puppets is you

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always need a place to hide the

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puppeteer

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and in this film there is a very clear

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way that they could be hiding the

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puppeteer because they only show like

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the head and shoulders of this supposed

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alien and a puppeteer could very easily

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be

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under the sort of table that this alien

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is sitting in front of working it

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so

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right away

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there's a lot of red flags to me that

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this thing was fake and it just comes

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across as as a

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fabrication it doesn't come across to

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something that rings true

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honestly i don't know what a real filmed

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alien interview would look like but i

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don't think it would look like this

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thing that

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is in this show

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it just doesn't seem

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like uh

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it just doesn't seem at all

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like

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it doesn't

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seem authentic

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and i've heard a few special effects

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people i've showed the film you know

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look at it and and everybody i showed it

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to that was into special effects or done

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special effects for films first of all

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they they all said i can do better than

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that it's not too bad

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but the creature in the film never

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blinks and that's sort of a red flag

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and also

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uh

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one of the things that's sort of a tip

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off is the puppet-like movement of the

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so-called creature in this film

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and you know i've had

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there's been another special effects

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person who said he could film this thing

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in his garage in a day and do a better

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job

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so

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i i i i

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invite you to look at it i invite you to

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form your own opinions but then

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i want you to hear what we have found

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i mentioned this victor person and how

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he uh

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has

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challenged everybody to to

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find his true identity and he was almost

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arrogantly bragging that nobody has been

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able to prove my true identity

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so

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one of the things that i kept focusing

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on is if i could somehow prove the true

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identity of this victor person

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then we would know the truth and i think

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based on that alone

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in other words if i could show that this

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was somebody

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involved in the sale of these dvds and

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the sale of this television documentary

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if i could prove it was somebody that

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you know had a position to profit from

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this thing doing well then i think we

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could call it a hoax and

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i'm so happy to be able to tell you that

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victor placed that challenge he wanted

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somebody to reveal his true identity

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and

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i'm gonna do just that

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because the truth is for almost 20 years

401
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maybe over 20 years it's right around

402
00:17:55,830 --> 00:17:52,320
the 20-year mark

403
00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:55,840
no one has been able to find conclusive

404
00:17:59,350 --> 00:17:58,000
proof and evidence

405
00:18:03,510 --> 00:17:59,360
to show

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00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:03,520
who this victor in these interviews

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00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:05,120
really was

408
00:18:10,750 --> 00:18:07,760
nobody's been able to conclusively and

409
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especially not forensically

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00:18:13,669 --> 00:18:12,559
scientifically

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00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:13,679
prove

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who this victor person was

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00:18:22,630 --> 00:18:19,520
and i'm happy to tell you that

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00:18:25,430 --> 00:18:22,640
i truly went to the mat over this thing

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and i have found

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the answer

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as shocking and incredible

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00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:40,789
and before we really dig deeper

419
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:42,480
and reveal

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00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:44,320
my findings

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00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:46,960
i want to take a moment to listen to

422
00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:50,799
this clip of this victor character

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00:18:54,470 --> 00:18:51,760
uh

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00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:54,480
issuing these challenges

425
00:19:00,150 --> 00:18:58,480
to anybody to debunk the video to prove

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00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:00,160
any fraud

427
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:03,280
and most importantly to reveal his true

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00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:04,559
identity

429
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:06,720
because i'm listening to this interview

430
00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:10,000
thinking man this guy is so arrogant to

431
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:11,760
think that nobody's ever going to prove

432
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:14,240
who he really is i mean

433
00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:17,280
there had to be people working on this

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00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:18,160
thing

435
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:19,679
camera people

436
00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:21,520
sound people

437
00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:23,360
production assistants

438
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:26,640
there had to be people employed working

439
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:28,000
on this thing

440
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:30,080
that would be able to shed some light on

441
00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:30,960
it

442
00:19:34,470 --> 00:19:33,679
so i dug very deep

443
00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:34,480
and

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00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:36,640
i'm happy to say that it took a long

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00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:39,360
time but i found a source

446
00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:40,720
a source

447
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:45,120
that was in on the making of this thing

448
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:47,679
so i feel confident in that although

449
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:49,360
they're going to remain an anonymous

450
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:51,440
source

451
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:53,360
and and they're doing that for legal

452
00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:56,160
reasons i mean i i've seen why they have

453
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:58,320
to do that they could face serious

454
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:00,880
consequences if they

455
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,480
went on the record

456
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:04,320
so we're going to accept this anonymous

457
00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:06,799
source but that's just one of the things

458
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:08,240
that i found

459
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:09,840
to verify

460
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:11,760
some of the things

461
00:20:15,029 --> 00:20:12,799
that i

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00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:15,039
uncovered myself during this

463
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:18,080
investigation but like i said before we

464
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:21,039
dig deeper let's take a minute to listen

465
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:24,000
to this character victor

466
00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:25,200
challenge

467
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:26,159
people

468
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:29,760
to prove this thing was a hoax or to

469
00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:32,720
prove his true identity

470
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:35,679
this clip is taking uh taken from the

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00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:38,159
2008

472
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:41,440
uh special edition re-release

473
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:45,440
the new victor interview that apparently

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took place between

475
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:50,240
or excuse me took place in shortly

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00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:52,799
before this special edition was released

477
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:54,720
in 2008

478
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:57,039
and it's important uh

479
00:21:02,549 --> 00:20:59,600
that you know that the person that

480
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:02,559
interviewed victor we've already

481
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:06,640
mentioned his name is jim deletosa

482
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:10,799
and he was this so-called image analyst

483
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:12,000
that

484
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:14,640
you know went over this thing frame by

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00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:18,960
frame and found no evidence of fraud

486
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,159
so when the 2008 special edition was

487
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:24,320
coming out i guess they called jim

488
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:29,360
deletosa image analyst ufo expert back

489
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:31,600
and said hey can you do the new

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00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:33,760
interview of victor for our special

491
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:36,799
edition and of course jim wanted to do

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00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:38,080
that so

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00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,280
remember

494
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:41,120
jim deletosa

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00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:44,320
is the person conducting the interview

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00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:45,840
of victor

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00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,400
on the 2008

498
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:50,480
interview it's very important that you

499
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:53,679
remember his name jim de la tosa he is

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00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:57,200
the person in this 2008

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00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:01,600
new interview of victor who is asking

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00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:04,880
the questions and the victor character

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00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,240
is the person answering the questions

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00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:10,559
so now we're going to play you a clip

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of victor answering a question and

506
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:15,520
getting you know

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00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:19,760
again getting upset and angry

508
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:21,440
and saying hey

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00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:24,240
if anybody can prove this is fake prove

510
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:24,960
it

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00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,120
and if anybody can reveal my true

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00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:29,760
identity prove it and again

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00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:32,720
victor is answering these questions

514
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:33,600
under

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00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:37,120
the disguiser on his voice so let's take

516
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,280
a second and listen to a quick clip of

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my contempt

518
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:46,320
for the viewers of your documentary over

519
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:49,120
the last 11 years knows no bounds

520
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:51,280
they've been like children

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00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:53,679
knocking it or on the other hand

522
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:56,960
credulously accepting it with no attempt

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00:23:04,070 --> 00:22:59,679
to evaluate the material on its own

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00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:04,080
merits or to discover any new material

525
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,000
to support or debunk it

526
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,000
this is not a joke

527
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:12,000
this is not a hoax

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00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,080
certainly i'm

529
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:16,320
staking my reputation on it if an

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00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:17,520
anonymous

531
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:18,640
individual

532
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:21,039
in a rubber mask could be said to be

533
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:23,679
staking his reputation on anything i

534
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:27,360
challenged these ufologists to debunk me

535
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:33,350
if they really believe that the alien

536
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,880
interview footage

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00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:37,120
is a hoax

538
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,520
prove it show where it was

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00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,760
faked if they believe that the alien in

540
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:43,919
that footage is a puppet

541
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:48,480
prove it find the puppet maker

542
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,799
if they believe that i am a hoaxer prove

543
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:52,240
it

544
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:08,070
anytime let me say

545
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:09,190
no

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00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:13,919
let us finish this

547
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:16,320
so that was the voice of victor and

548
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:18,559
there's one thing that this victor

549
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:19,760
character

550
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,600
and i agree on and that is yes victor

551
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:25,679
let's finish this

552
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,960
20 years

553
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,080
good run

554
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:30,960
20 years and nobody revealed you

555
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:34,559
to be a fake a fraud a hoax

556
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:35,919
in fact

557
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:39,039
i've heard that many people have tried

558
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:39,919
to

559
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,640
character really was

560
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:48,720
but nobody has been able to offer

561
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:51,760
conclusive and especially not scientific

562
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,880
proof

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00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:54,960
until now

564
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,080
before we get even deeper i have to

565
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:00,880
present one of the big theories about

566
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,799
who victor was

567
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:04,960
a theory that

568
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:06,000
is

569
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:09,520
actually partially correct

570
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,600
there is another character in this show

571
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:15,840
whose name is robert dean

572
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:18,880
robert dean is a well-known ufo

573
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:20,960
researcher and

574
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:23,279
investigator i suppose

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00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:24,720
who's been on

576
00:25:28,140 --> 00:25:27,360
tons of different radio and television

577
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,150
programs

578
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:30,799
[Music]

579
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:34,240
and so robert dean appears in this

580
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,679
documentary

581
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:37,600
and not surprisingly

582
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:40,240
he declares that the

583
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:42,400
alien interview

584
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:45,840
film is genuine

585
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:48,159
so uh

586
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:49,760
to give you a little bit of a bit of

587
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:52,559
background about this person uh i'm just

588
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:55,039
gonna read you his some stuff from his

589
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:57,120
wikipedia page

590
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,200
dean retired from the umass army as a

591
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,000
command sergeant major after a 28-year

592
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:04,799
career he has appeared on radio programs

593
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,200
tv documentaries at conferences

594
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:09,440
discussing this subject of ufos and a

595
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:12,240
government cover-up of alien visitations

596
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:13,679
to earth

597
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:16,320
dean claims to have viewed classified

598
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:17,919
government document called the

599
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:20,240
assessment that allegedly discussed

600
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,360
threats posed by alien activity on earth

601
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:25,279
and concluded that no such threats

602
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,480
existed

603
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,240
dean says he considers himself a

604
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:31,200
professional ufo researcher and that he

605
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:34,880
had top secret excuse me that he had

606
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:37,360
cosmic top secret clearance while in the

607
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:41,110
so

608
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:47,760
robert dean is because

609
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:51,360
he was in the video and he is declaring

610
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:54,400
as as an expert ufo

611
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:55,919
researcher

612
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,039
that the film is genuine

613
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:01,360
but the reason i'm mentioning him is

614
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:02,720
because

615
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:05,679
there have been several people who

616
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:08,559
have done some digging into this alien

617
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:09,760
interview

618
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:13,279
specifically the portions of this victor

619
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,400
person

620
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:16,480
being interviewed

621
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:17,760
and

622
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:20,880
more than one person has said that the

623
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,679
person shown on film even though he's

624
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:26,080
shadowed out in black

625
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,360
that is being interviewed as victor is

626
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:31,600
actually robert dean

627
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:34,480
who also appears as himself

628
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:37,360
on this in this documentary

629
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:39,840
so it seems very convenient that

630
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:41,440
somebody that's

631
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:44,399
in the video as himself saying this is a

632
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:46,840
genuine film of an alien

633
00:27:52,750 --> 00:27:49,600
interview is also

634
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,760
perhaps playing the part of the

635
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:54,399
whistleblower

636
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:55,360
victor

637
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:58,240
with a disguised voice

638
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:01,600
i have to say that i have watched a

639
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,360
whole bunch of robert dean uh

640
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:07,919
lectures and presentations and i've

641
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:10,480
become intimately familiar with his

642
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,520
voice

643
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:13,360
his inflection

644
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,399
his

645
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,640
way that he speaks

646
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:18,399
you know these are things that are kind

647
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,679
of hard to completely eradicate or

648
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,679
disguise with something as simple as a

649
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,240
voice changer people tend to talk the

650
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,880
same sort of way they use the same sort

651
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,720
of words or

652
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:33,039
phrases uh

653
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:34,240
the way

654
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:37,200
you know their inflection the tone of

655
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:39,520
their voice

656
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:42,320
there's a lot of things besides just the

657
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:45,039
sound of somebody's voice

658
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:46,399
so

659
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:50,399
i uh started listening intently to

660
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:52,799
robert dean lectures to try to get a

661
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:56,000
sense of the way that this man speaks

662
00:29:02,789 --> 00:28:59,760
then i would listen and compare to

663
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:02,799
the way this victor person speaks and it

664
00:29:09,310 --> 00:29:05,919
really was like night and day

665
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:09,320
robert dean tends to speak almost

666
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:10,880
soft-spokenly

667
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:14,000
and methodically and and

668
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:15,600
thoughtfully

669
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:16,960
and

670
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:19,440
this victor person tends to be

671
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,480
extremely emotional and kind of

672
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,720
all over the place and

673
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:26,880
he speaks very quickly

674
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,240
and angrily and it just didn't

675
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:32,559
to me i went back and forth and back and

676
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:34,799
forth listening to robert dean and then

677
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,679
listening to the victor interviews the

678
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:40,080
portions of this documentary where

679
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:41,919
victor is interviewed

680
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:44,000
and i became convinced

681
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:45,279
pretty quickly

682
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:48,399
that it's not the same speaker

683
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:51,679
voice disguiser or not

684
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,640
but

685
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:54,960
before we get into the proof that i did

686
00:30:02,789 --> 00:29:58,880
find indicating uh some involvement from

687
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:02,799
robert dean in these staged victor

688
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:04,080
interviews

689
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:07,039
let's hear what he had to say in the

690
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:08,640
documentary

691
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,240
about whether this alien interview is

692
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:14,799
real or a hoax let's

693
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,799
let's get his reaction from the

694
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:18,720
documentary

695
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:22,480
let's take a listen to that clip now

696
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:23,600
this is

697
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,799
in the 1960s robert o dean served as an

698
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:34,960
army intelligence analyst at nato

699
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,279
headquarters in europe where he claims

700
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:39,440
to have seen first-hand evidence of

701
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:42,240
alien beings and their artifacts

702
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:44,799
retired from the army he is now a highly

703
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:49,039
regarded ufo researcher and analyst

704
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:51,360
dean was asked to view the tape and

705
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:54,480
offer his expert opinion

706
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,360
treating him like a piece of livestock

707
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,039
wiping his lips

708
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:01,279
calling on his own first-hand experience

709
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,000
for comparison robert dean was stunned

710
00:31:09,610 --> 00:31:06,240
and moved by what he saw

711
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:13,350
[Music]

712
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:16,080
i think you've got yourself

713
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:18,320
a piece of legitimate footage here and i

714
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:20,000
think you've got your hands on some

715
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:23,039
pretty sensitive material

716
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:26,559
i don't know how the hell you got this

717
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:28,080
i don't know who you got it from and

718
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:29,840
frankly i don't want to know who you got

719
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:36,389
but you got yourself a tiger by the tail

720
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,990
i would say and i know that that's one

721
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:43,919
of the things you ask of me is that

722
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:46,799
you've got yourself some legitimate

723
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:48,799
footage of one of the little guys being

724
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,279
interrogated and filmed

725
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:52,960
and there's a reality to it and there's

726
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,799
a sensitivity to it that literally

727
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,559
breaks my heart

728
00:32:02,310 --> 00:31:58,880
but i tell you very much very strongly

729
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:04,149
is very sensitive

730
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,679
well i know that the level of

731
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,760
classification on this kind of a thing

732
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,760
is so far damned above top secret that

733
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:11,279
you won't even

734
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:12,880
you can't imagine

735
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:15,519
how sensitive this kind of thing is

736
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,840
and how delicate it is and how tightly

737
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:19,600
the government sits on anything like

738
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:20,880
this

739
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:23,760
and so here we have a

740
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:25,200
former

741
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,559
army

742
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:28,799
intelligence officer

743
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,480
saying this is a genuine video of

744
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:34,720
an alien being interviewed

745
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:37,279
he calls him one of the little guys

746
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:38,799
which i've heard him i've heard him use

747
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:41,519
that term in some of his lectures

748
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:43,760
and i have to say i realize that this

749
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:46,640
man is well liked and respected and you

750
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:48,799
know goes to all these ufo conferences

751
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:50,399
and speaks at them and things like that

752
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:51,440
but

753
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:53,840
i just i don't i've never seen him

754
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,399
provide any proof of any of the claims

755
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:58,399
in any of his lectures

756
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,360
he tells a real nice story about

757
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:03,440
reading some government report or i'm

758
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:06,159
sorry some nato report

759
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,320
in the 1960s that was done on ufos and

760
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:12,480
you know that revealed all this stuff

761
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:13,600
about

762
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:16,399
ufos and aliens and

763
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,000
all these different things but i've

764
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,240
never seen him put up any proof of any

765
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:22,240
of his claims we just have to take him

766
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:24,159
at his word

767
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:25,039
and

768
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:27,200
even if we do take him at his word i'm

769
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:30,159
not sure what qualifies him to be an

770
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,760
expert in is this a real alien or not

771
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:35,440
i'm i'm not sure that anybody's

772
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:38,559
qualified to be an expert in that

773
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:41,760
the other thing that i should say is

774
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:42,799
you know

775
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:45,519
i in doing research for this i

776
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,039
watched every

777
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:49,679
lecture that i could find that this guy

778
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:52,159
has given and i have to say that in the

779
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:53,679
early

780
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:55,840
earlier ones it was you know some

781
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:57,919
compelling stories

782
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:00,159
uh again no proof of anything that he

783
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:02,880
said but you know he tells a compelling

784
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,159
story

785
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:06,399
now i've talked to people that told me

786
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,040
there's no such thing as cosmic top

787
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:11,839
secret clearance and that's most likely

788
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:14,320
something that this person made up

789
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:16,240
and again i'm not saying he made it up

790
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,159
i'm saying that i've talked to people

791
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:20,399
that work for the government in

792
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:22,800
classified black projects that told me

793
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:25,359
that's not the way

794
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:26,560
you know

795
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:29,359
any kind of classification works and

796
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:32,320
they've never heard of cosmic top secret

797
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:34,079
and yes one of the person i talked to

798
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,079
had been involved in black projects

799
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:38,720
since like the 1960s never heard of

800
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:41,599
cosmic top secret clearance which this

801
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:44,399
person claims to have had

802
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:45,919
but again

803
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:47,679
you know there's no proof

804
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:48,879
that

805
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,399
i'm sorry but there's just no proof

806
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:56,879
and so in the early lectures he tells

807
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:59,119
this very compelling story about you

808
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:00,800
know reading this thing called the

809
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:04,000
assessment and it changing his life

810
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:06,079
forever because then he knew that there

811
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:07,839
were aliens and all these different

812
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,040
things and

813
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:11,599
you know like i said it's reads like a

814
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,040
james bond

815
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:15,200
you know spy novel or something it's

816
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:18,240
really compelling story absolutely zero

817
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:19,680
proof

818
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,240
but those claims are

819
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,960
i still thought well that's still within

820
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:26,720
the realm of possibility that he could

821
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,280
be telling the truth about this stuff

822
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:31,520
but unfortunately

823
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,040
mr dean

824
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:35,280
like many of the people that i have

825
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:36,640
researched

826
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:39,440
in in the ufo field

827
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:42,079
his early lectures tend to be

828
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:43,119
you know

829
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:45,200
sort of grounded in something that could

830
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:48,800
resemble facts you know i i worked at at

831
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:51,200
this place from this year to this year i

832
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,880
read these reports on ufos and you know

833
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,400
okay

834
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:58,480
but what you get when you get to his

835
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:00,000
later

836
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:02,560
lectures is that this guy starts talking

837
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:03,440
about

838
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,119
hypnotic regressions and his past lives

839
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:09,440
and his remote viewing and psychic

840
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:12,480
abilities and it just gets it gets

841
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:15,839
crazier and crazier and and the guy like

842
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:16,800
keeps

843
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:20,480
inventing i suppose or creating all new

844
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:22,000
stories

845
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:24,960
that he that he never discussed before

846
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,079
and it just gets crazier and crazier

847
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:30,240
when somebody talks about ufos to me

848
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,680
that's one thing maybe they have an

849
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:33,599
interest in ufos but as soon as they

850
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:34,480
start

851
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:37,359
venturing into you know past life for

852
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,320
they had hypnotic regressions and then

853
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:42,480
he learned about all of his past lives

854
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:44,560
and how that changed him and affected

855
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:48,000
him and how he viewed the world i mean

856
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:49,760
like i said if you listen to his early

857
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,640
lectures it seems like he had a lot more

858
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:55,040
factual based things that he was talking

859
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:56,079
about

860
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:57,119
and

861
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:00,560
i assume that as time goes on you know

862
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:03,359
he's already done every ufo conference

863
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:05,119
giving those lectures and people have

864
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:08,000
heard what he had to say at that time

865
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:09,599
you know at those times hundreds and

866
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:11,920
hundreds of times so hey we have to come

867
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,520
up with some new stuff to jam in

868
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:16,240
lectures and that's the way that's the

869
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:18,160
impression that i get

870
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,599
now

871
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:21,200
the reason that we're talking so much

872
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:24,079
about mr dean is because more than one

873
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,000
person has claimed that

874
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:28,480
robert dean is the person sitting in

875
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:29,440
this

876
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,240
documentary getting interviewed as

877
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:34,079
victor but again

878
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:36,320
i was sure that he's not the person

879
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:37,520
speaking

880
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:40,320
but on closer examination of the of the

881
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:43,040
documentary when we have these blacked

882
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:46,079
out you know shadowed

883
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,839
victor uh

884
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,200
scenes

885
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:51,119
there's a few things that caught my

886
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,680
attention really quickly and that is

887
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,599
that the victor person is wearing the

888
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,119
same jacket

889
00:38:01,829 --> 00:38:00,000
it appears to be anyway we can't be 100

890
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:01,839
sure but it appears that he's wearing

891
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:05,440
the same suit jacket that mr dean is

892
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:07,599
wearing in the same

893
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:11,359
documentary in separate scenes being

894
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,280
robert dean

895
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:15,440
and so not me but

896
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:17,920
somebody else that is interested in this

897
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:23,510
this person has a website and it's

898
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:26,400
called documentingreality.com

899
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:29,040
they created a video where they showed

900
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:32,000
that mr robert dean has the same exact

901
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:33,200
tie

902
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:36,720
as victor does in this documentary

903
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:39,200
and i don't mean hey

904
00:38:42,070 --> 00:38:40,160
you know

905
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:42,080
victor has a blue tie and

906
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:43,440
[Music]

907
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:45,680
robert dean has a blue tie

908
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:48,800
i mean a tie that has an incredibly

909
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:52,160
distinctive striped pattern

910
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:53,680
and so

911
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:57,359
the odds to me that mr robert dean has

912
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:00,400
the same suit jacket and the same

913
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:01,920
exact tie

914
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:05,280
a very distinctive tie as victor sitting

915
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:07,040
in this scene being interviewed as

916
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:08,160
victor

917
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:08,960
is

918
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:10,880
kind of astronomical what are the odds

919
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,800
that these two guys have the same suit

920
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,359
jacket and the same exact very

921
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:17,920
distinctive pattern tie

922
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,599
i think that

923
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:21,920
this person from documentingreality.com

924
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,640
nailed it but i wanted to be sure myself

925
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:27,119
and i did my due diligence and i looked

926
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,960
at every

927
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,200
picture that i could find of mr dean and

928
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,839
every that went through every lecture

929
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:35,280
that i could find

930
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:36,880
because this guy is always i have to say

931
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,040
he's always very dapperly dressed in a

932
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:41,040
suit and tie and things like that or you

933
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,400
know like

934
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,359
he wears like a turtleneck and a suit

935
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:47,040
and and things like that

936
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,119
it's always very well dressed but i went

937
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:50,960
through everything i could find to find

938
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,440
this source of him wearing that tie want

939
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:55,440
to be sure that it was right

940
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,760
then i blew up the picture of mr dean

941
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:59,440
with the tie

942
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:01,839
and then i

943
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:04,079
took a still from the

944
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,079
the alien interview with victor being

945
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:08,240
interviewed and i blew that up

946
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:11,119
then i had to artificially lighten that

947
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:14,240
picture because it's very dark in the in

948
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:15,599
the victor scene

949
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:16,720
and i

950
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:19,359
blew up them as best that i could

951
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:21,760
compared both ties and i am absolutely

952
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,319
certain that it's exact same tie the

953
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:26,880
exact same striped pattern

954
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:29,040
of the tie in both the picture of mr

955
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,839
dean and the picture of victor being

956
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,119
interviewed

957
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,280
now the other smoke and gun evidence

958
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:36,720
that this person from documenting

959
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,520
reality found is that

960
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:41,520
mr dean has been interviewed in his home

961
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:42,880
many times

962
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,359
and he has this sort of peach

963
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:47,359
i don't know you know i'm not an

964
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:49,119
interior decorator i don't know what

965
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,880
color you would call

966
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:53,200
sort of peach salmon kind of colored

967
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,319
walls

968
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:56,880
that again it's pretty distinctive color

969
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:59,680
it's very it's not very common color and

970
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:01,280
mr dean has been interviewed in his

971
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,760
house many times i guess he's sitting in

972
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:05,440
the living room or something like that

973
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,800
and this

974
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:08,960
background wall with a very distinctive

975
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:11,440
color is the background in many of these

976
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:14,000
interviews that he's given again in his

977
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:15,599
home

978
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:18,720
so then we look at the the

979
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:21,839
scenes of victor being interviewed

980
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:23,119
and

981
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:23,920
the

982
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:29,119
walls in mr dean's home

983
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:32,000
and so when we add all this up we have

984
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:33,760
the same suit jacket

985
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:34,800
the

986
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,359
mr dean's home

987
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:41,520
and if you do a point-by-point

988
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:44,880
comparison the very best that you can

989
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,880
you find an amazing amount of

990
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:48,480
similarities

991
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:49,680
so i

992
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,079
after careful analysis became very

993
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:54,640
convinced that the person sitting being

994
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,440
interviewed as victor

995
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:59,040
is mr dean

996
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:00,880
they both have facial hair they both

997
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,520
have the same eyebrows

998
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:06,000
they both have the same suit jacket it's

999
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:09,200
the same colored wall that's in mr

1000
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:12,160
dean's home behind the guy

1001
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:14,079
they did take the time to place a fern

1002
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,359
in front of them like that's going to

1003
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,520
throw anybody off

1004
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:19,680
so there's all these reasons pointing to

1005
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,319
the fact that mr dean is

1006
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,880
was interviewed as

1007
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,240
victor

1008
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,240
but again i kept coming back to the fact

1009
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,720
that the voices just did not seem like

1010
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:32,319
his

1011
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:33,839
so

1012
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:36,800
this brought me back to

1013
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:39,359
jim deletoso and

1014
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:40,160
uh

1015
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,319
jim delatoso was the image analyst but

1016
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:44,400
jim delatoso has a very distinctive

1017
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:45,520
voice

1018
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,520
and there's a person that is asking the

1019
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:49,440
questions while victor is being

1020
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,880
interviewed

1021
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:52,800
now again to be clear

1022
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:56,800
i don't believe that the voice of victor

1023
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:59,760
while they're showing mr dean apparently

1024
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,000
sitting in this scene answering these

1025
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:04,480
questions i don't believe that the voice

1026
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:09,280
is mr deans in fact i am now sure of it

1027
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:10,240
because

1028
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:12,160
what i've done is i've taken the

1029
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:15,520
distortion off of the the pitch shift

1030
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,680
and the distortion off of the voice of

1031
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,520
victor and

1032
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:21,280
now we can get a

1033
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,000
very accurate view of what that person's

1034
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,560
voice actually sounds like

1035
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:28,800
and again it's very important to realize

1036
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,520
that it's mr deletoso

1037
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:33,760
asking victor these questions in the

1038
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,079
next clip that we're gonna see

1039
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:38,319
and then it's apparently the voice of

1040
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,680
victor

1041
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,599
but i'm convinced and you will be too

1042
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:42,960
after you

1043
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:46,400
hear this clip that the voice

1044
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,440
is not the voice of robert dean so let's

1045
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:50,880
take a moment and listen to that clip

1046
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:52,720
and you'll see what i'm talking about

1047
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,599
and again remember jim delatoso i keep

1048
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:56,960
telling you to remember him he's the

1049
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:58,800
person asking the questions to the

1050
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,280
victor character in these scenes let's

1051
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:03,280
take a listen to this clip first we're

1052
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:06,079
going to hear it a quick clip with

1053
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:09,280
no alteration done so you can hear the

1054
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,640
distorted voice of victor uh the the uh

1055
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,240
disguised voice of victor then we're

1056
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:16,480
gonna hear it with the

1057
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:19,200
pitch shift thing i've done to it and my

1058
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:21,839
attempts to remove that vocal distortion

1059
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:25,359
so let's listen to clip that clip now

1060
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:28,160
what is your occupation at area 51 i

1061
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:29,680
won't answer that

1062
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:31,760
i have had reason to be present at area

1063
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,160
51 and i'm not going to clarify whether

1064
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:36,560
or not i was there as an employee

1065
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:37,839
are you saying you were there as a

1066
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:39,040
visitor

1067
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,359
i'm not going to specify why or in what

1068
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:43,119
capacity i was there

1069
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,960
only that i was there

1070
00:44:47,310 --> 00:44:46,720
can you tell us how many times you were

1071
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,320
there

1072
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:49,200
[Music]

1073
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,520
when i agreed to this my fundamental

1074
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,280
ground rule was that i would not be

1075
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:55,599
asked to divulge personal data that

1076
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:58,000
might help pinpoint my identity if you

1077
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,680
continue to ask questions that are out

1078
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:01,680
of bounds i won't hesitate to terminate

1079
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,280
this interview are you saying that the

1080
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:05,040
number of times you were present at area

1081
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,400
51 is enough to pinpoint your identity

1082
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,400
any specifics will narrow the field of

1083
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,560
suspects of course i could lie let's say

1084
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:15,200
i've been there 47 times or any way more

1085
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:18,000
than once let's turn to the tape itself

1086
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,760
the copy you've supplied is not the

1087
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:21,920
original tape no

1088
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:23,839
was the original at area 51 when you

1089
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,280
copied it that's out of balance

1090
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:29,440
so there is the

1091
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:32,640
distorted pitch shifted

1092
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:35,680
disguised voice of victor and again it's

1093
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:38,560
jim delatoso that's asking the questions

1094
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:41,200
in that sequence we just heard so now

1095
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:42,560
we're going to hear it again but this

1096
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,480
time we're going to hear it with the

1097
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:46,720
modifications i've made to remove the

1098
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,480
vocal disguise from the victor character

1099
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:52,400
so let's listen to that clip

1100
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:55,760
the modified clip now

1101
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:58,560
what is your occupation at area 51 i

1102
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,119
won't answer that i have had reason to

1103
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:03,760
be present at area 51 but i'm not going

1104
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:05,440
to clarify whether or not i was there as

1105
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:06,960
an employee

1106
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:08,240
are you saying you were there as a

1107
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,359
visitor

1108
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,760
i'm not going to specify why or in what

1109
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,520
capacity i was there

1110
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,359
only that i was there

1111
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,119
can you tell us how many times you were

1112
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,910
when i agreed to this my fundamental

1113
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:23,599
ground rule was that i would not be

1114
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,000
asked to divulge personal data that

1115
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,400
might help pinpoint my identity if you

1116
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:30,079
continue to ask questions that are out

1117
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:32,079
of bounds i won't hesitate to terminate

1118
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:33,680
this interview are you saying that the

1119
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:35,440
number of times you were present at area

1120
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,800
51 is enough to pinpoint your identity

1121
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,800
any specifics will narrow the field of

1122
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:42,960
suspects of course i could lie let's say

1123
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:45,599
i've been there 47 times or anyway more

1124
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,400
than once let's turn to the tape itself

1125
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,079
the copy you've supplied is not the

1126
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,319
original tape no

1127
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:54,240
was the original at area 51 when you

1128
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,359
copied it that's out of bounds

1129
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:59,359
so now we hear the

1130
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:01,839
true voice of victor or at least

1131
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,640
very close i feel to what the real voice

1132
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:06,079
of this person

1133
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:08,240
speaking claiming to be the character

1134
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,079
victor

1135
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:12,480
i think it's very close to what his true

1136
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:16,870
and one of the other things that i

1137
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:18,800
wanted to mention is that

1138
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:21,119
to anybody who has any experience

1139
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,440
editing audio and i should mention that

1140
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:25,280
iran commercial digital recruiting

1141
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:27,200
studio for some time

1142
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:30,319
when you look at these audio files

1143
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,119
of

1144
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:33,920
the clips that we just played it becomes

1145
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:36,160
very obvious that

1146
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,240
to anybody that knows anything about

1147
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,000
audio editing

1148
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:42,079
one thing is very clear when you look at

1149
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:45,359
the waveforms and things like that

1150
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:47,680
and that is that

1151
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,079
these this interview sequence was not

1152
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:52,800
recorded together in other words

1153
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,880
in the in the documentary they make it

1154
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,280
appear as if an interviewer is sitting

1155
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:59,359
in front of the victor character and

1156
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:01,119
victor is sitting there answering

1157
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,520
questions in real time

1158
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,359
i can tell you with

1159
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:07,920
some degree of certainty after

1160
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,559
looking at these waveforms that that is

1161
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:12,000
not the case

1162
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:12,880
this

1163
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:15,599
interview sequence was constructed in

1164
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:16,720
other words

1165
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:19,119
someone asked the questions and in this

1166
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:20,960
case we have the

1167
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:23,680
interviewer jim delatoso asking the

1168
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,800
questions

1169
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:26,480
then we have the victor character

1170
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,800
answering them and on the dvd if you

1171
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:30,400
just watch it

1172
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:32,319
you know it's it's kind of convincing

1173
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:34,480
you don't really think that it's being

1174
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:35,440
done

1175
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:38,079
uh in an overdub sort of fashion but

1176
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:39,599
once you look at the wave forms it

1177
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:41,040
becomes very clear and there's a few

1178
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,559
reasons for that

1179
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:44,319
i can take the

1180
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,119
i can take just the questions and look

1181
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:49,280
at the waveforms look at them on a

1182
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:50,720
spectrograph

1183
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:51,760
and

1184
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:56,720
person asking the questions is very very

1185
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,720
clear and you can hear that yourself if

1186
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:00,319
you rewind this and listen to these

1187
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,559
clips again but when victor answers

1188
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,720
there's a lot of room noise that's not

1189
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:06,960
present when the person is asking the

1190
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,520
questions and if this back and forth it

1191
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,680
becomes very obvious that the person

1192
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:13,520
that asked the questions was recorded at

1193
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,079
one time in a much cleaner fashion

1194
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,319
probably in a professional or near

1195
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:20,160
professional recording studio

1196
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,440
environment

1197
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:23,040
and that the victor

1198
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,599
answers were just recorded like in

1199
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,359
somebody's living room or something like

1200
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:29,200
that

1201
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:33,119
we

1202
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:35,359
hear the voice of victor with the vocal

1203
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:38,000
disguise removed is that this is most

1204
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:41,760
definitely not the voice of robert dean

1205
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:43,839
bob dean has a very distinctive voice

1206
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,960
and way of speaking that i'm sure i went

1207
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,800
again back and forth listening to his

1208
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,160
voice listening to the voice of the

1209
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,400
person answering these questions

1210
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:54,240
and i'm quite convinced and you would be

1211
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,400
too if you spent the time that i did

1212
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,480
that this is definitely not the voice of

1213
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:00,240
robert dean

1214
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,800
so we're left with well i guess that's

1215
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,640
the voice of victor

1216
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,640
and so i wanted to find some other

1217
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:08,720
sources of this victor character

1218
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:09,839
speaking

1219
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:13,119
and make comparisons and when i did

1220
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:16,000
that's when i really got a shock

1221
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:18,000
in 2008

1222
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,240
as i mentioned and we played a clip from

1223
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,040
the 2008 victor interview before with

1224
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,280
the vocal distortion still on there with

1225
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:27,359
the vocal disguise i should say still

1226
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,480
still there

1227
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:30,240
we played that unaltered clip earlier in

1228
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:31,280
the show

1229
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:34,640
and again it's the same interviewer from

1230
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:38,160
the original 1997 documentary asking the

1231
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,319
questions once again it's very it's a

1232
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,640
very distinctive voice and it's very

1233
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:44,160
clear that the person that asked the

1234
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:47,680
questions in 1997 is again answering

1235
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,559
asking excuse me asking the questions of

1236
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,960
this victor character in the 2008

1237
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:54,960
interview that they released

1238
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,160
this this new interview of victor for

1239
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,720
the special edition dvd

1240
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,640
so becomes very clear

1241
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:04,319
it's the same person asking the

1242
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:05,520
questions

1243
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,960
but i wondered uh let's do the same

1244
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:10,800
thing i did with the original interview

1245
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,960
let's take the voice of victor and let's

1246
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:14,640
take the distortion

1247
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,880
and the vocal disguise off the best that

1248
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:18,000
we can

1249
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:18,880
and

1250
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,400
here is you know we can compare it to

1251
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:24,720
the original

1252
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:27,920
voice of victor which we uncovered

1253
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:31,200
and what you get is

1254
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:32,880
really really shocking when you hear

1255
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:35,760
this 2008 interview

1256
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:37,359
so first i'm going to play you a clip

1257
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:40,880
from the 2008 victor interview and again

1258
00:52:06,309 --> 00:51:41,680
i

1259
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:08,549
you agreed to do that one phone

1260
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:11,359
interview with art bell coast to coast

1261
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:13,200
uh to promote the video at the time

1262
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:15,680
which was a live interview and i had

1263
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:16,640
made it

1264
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:19,440
abundantly clear that i was not to be

1265
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:22,000
put in the position of revealing

1266
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:23,680
my whereabouts

1267
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:25,839
in a large situation

1268
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:28,640
again victor with all due respect

1269
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:32,559
you knew that the art bill show was live

1270
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:34,400
you say that now that's not how i

1271
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,800
remember but in any case it's a thing of

1272
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:38,240
the past

1273
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:40,720
well in any event you contacted us for

1274
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:42,400
this interview

1275
00:52:45,890 --> 00:52:44,880
this is this situation has not been of

1276
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:45,900
my

1277
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:54,319
[Music]

1278
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,119
characterization insulting i did not

1279
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:59,040
request to give you information i

1280
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:00,480
offered you

1281
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:03,280
information yes i did

1282
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:04,559
demand

1283
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:10,640
so

1284
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:16,720
interviewing the character of victor

1285
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,920
and

1286
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:19,680
without the the

1287
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:22,400
vocal disguise removed sounds very

1288
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:24,800
similar to the

1289
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:28,559
1997 interview of jim delatoso asking

1290
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:31,119
victor all these questions

1291
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,280
and uh the voice victor sounds similar

1292
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:35,359
and the voice of the interviewer jim

1293
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:37,839
delatoso sounds very similar

1294
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:40,319
but again i wanted to remove that vocal

1295
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:43,760
disguise and just compare it to the 1997

1296
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:45,760
interview and when i did

1297
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,240
that's when i got the real shock

1298
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:50,559
so if you've been waiting for

1299
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:51,280
the

1300
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:55,280
thing

1301
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:57,520
going to play the next clip which is the

1302
00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:59,680
same clip that we just heard

1303
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:01,520
but with the

1304
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:08,470
and remember when i said that the

1305
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:10,240
investigation of this thing was kind of

1306
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:11,440
shocking

1307
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:13,359
this is one of the things

1308
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:15,680
we removed the disguise from the voice

1309
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,240
and what we find out is crazy

1310
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:20,160
what we find out is

1311
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:20,960
that

1312
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:24,000
the person asking the questions in the

1313
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:25,040
interview

1314
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:28,640
is the same person answering them

1315
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,800
when he asks the questions you know he

1316
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,720
has that narrator voice

1317
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:34,559
and then when victor answers the

1318
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:35,839
questions

1319
00:54:38,420 --> 00:54:37,920
with a vocal disguise it's the same

1320
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,430
person

1321
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:40,559
[Music]

1322
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:42,559
so what we have here i suppose is a

1323
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,720
somewhat clever deception

1324
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:46,559
to most people they wouldn't pick up on

1325
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,400
the fact that the person asking the

1326
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:50,160
questions and answering them is the same

1327
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:51,440
guy

1328
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,839
but i'm not most people intend to look

1329
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:55,280
through

1330
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,119
any veil of deception

1331
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:59,359
quite easily

1332
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:02,079
and in fact i think that i suspected

1333
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:04,000
this before i even took the vocal

1334
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:08,640
disguise off but i wanted to do the work

1335
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:10,799
so that i would be sure

1336
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:12,640
but now that all that work is done and

1337
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:14,880
many many hours of computer rendering to

1338
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,680
strip off that disguise let's take a

1339
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,359
listen to what i'm talking about and

1340
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:21,599
you'll see that i'm

1341
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,480
right on this thing it's the same person

1342
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,880
asking and answering the questions once

1343
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:29,040
you take off the vocal disguise let's

1344
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:31,119
take a listen to a clip now with the

1345
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:35,280
vocal disguise rendered off

1346
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:37,520
you agreed to do that one phone

1347
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,559
interview with artbell coast to coast

1348
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:42,400
to promote the video at the time which

1349
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:45,599
was a live interview and i had made it

1350
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:48,400
abundantly clear that i was not to be

1351
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,960
put in a position of revealing

1352
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:52,720
my whereabouts

1353
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:54,880
in a live situation

1354
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:57,599
again victor with all due respect

1355
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:01,520
you knew that the art bill show was live

1356
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:03,359
you say that now that's not how i

1357
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:05,760
remember but in any case it's a thing of

1358
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,200
the past

1359
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:09,680
well in any event you contacted us for

1360
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,359
this interview

1361
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:13,760
this is this situation has not been

1362
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:16,559
about choosing

1363
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,119
if i came to you

1364
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:21,599
and requested as you say

1365
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:23,280
and in fact i found that

1366
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:26,079
characterization insulting i did not

1367
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:28,000
request to give you information i

1368
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:29,359
offered you

1369
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:30,640
information

1370
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:32,240
yes i did

1371
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:33,520
demand

1372
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:42,319
so now we can clearly hear that the

1373
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:44,000
person asking the questions and

1374
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:46,880
answering the questions is the same guy

1375
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,359
so to me as soon as this

1376
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:51,760
becomes revealed any credibility that

1377
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:54,559
this is a real interview of

1378
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:57,520
a real whistleblower who smuggled a tape

1379
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:00,720
out of area 51 of a real alien being

1380
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:03,760
interviewed goes out the window

1381
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:04,640
because

1382
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:06,240
come on man

1383
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:07,680
you're asking

1384
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:09,599
you're interviewing yourself

1385
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:11,440
is that what's going on here i don't

1386
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:14,480
know it's strange

1387
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,160
and uh it just smacks of this is a

1388
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,319
performance a hoax

1389
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:22,720
this guy had to perform as the person

1390
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:24,480
asking the questions then he had to

1391
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:26,480
perform as the person answering the

1392
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,280
questions with a vocal distortion on

1393
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:31,440
come on man

1394
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:33,520
why would anybody do that unless this

1395
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:37,040
was just some fake performance some

1396
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:39,680
conjured illusion

1397
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:41,680
designed for the public

1398
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:44,640
to eat up so that they could sell it and

1399
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:46,880
sell it and sell it some more and

1400
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:48,559
they've been selling this thing since

1401
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:55,510
so besides the anonymous source who by

1402
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:57,760
the way told me that it was the voice

1403
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,839
that jim deltoso did the interview of

1404
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:01,599
victor

1405
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:02,640
so

1406
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:05,040
having found these things i wanted to

1407
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:08,000
talk to jim delatoso himself but he

1408
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,400
wasn't very easy to get to

1409
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:12,240
he's been retired for some time and not

1410
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:15,760
very active in the ufo community so

1411
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:18,319
it wasn't very easy to find him

1412
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:20,240
but i reached out through

1413
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:22,319
some mutual friends and was able to find

1414
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:24,319
a phone number for him after first

1415
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:26,160
trying to find him at his company which

1416
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:28,880
is no longer in business

1417
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:32,480
so i found him and i have to tell you

1418
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:34,880
that i couldn't wait to give him a ring

1419
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:37,440
on the mystery phone

1420
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:39,200
yes my friends that's right tonight

1421
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:41,040
we're going to get jim delatoso on the

1422
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:42,640
mystery phone and we're going to ask him

1423
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:44,319
what he knows about this

1424
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:46,240
and i got to tell you i'm not going to

1425
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:47,920
pull any punches i'm going to tell him

1426
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:49,760
what i found and i'm gonna want him to

1427
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:51,280
answer

1428
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:52,319
for

1429
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,200
these findings and see like if you

1430
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:57,440
really did this hoax come on man you

1431
00:59:01,910 --> 00:58:58,960
gotta give it up you gotta tell the

1432
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:03,910
and to be honest folks i don't know how

1433
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:06,079
he's gonna react to this phone call i

1434
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:09,200
have to call him up and i have to get in

1435
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:11,520
this guy's grill a little bit i have to

1436
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:13,520
tell him about all the things that i

1437
00:59:20,069 --> 00:59:15,920
found through my research and see what

1438
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:20,079
he has to say did he take part in or

1439
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:23,520
help create this elaborate hoax

1440
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:25,920
what will we have to say about the proof

1441
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:27,839
we found

1442
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:29,760
so of course i have this anonymous

1443
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,040
source who pointed me into the into the

1444
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:35,359
direction that i took which is

1445
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:37,680
here's the person asking the questions

1446
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:40,400
who's answering them is it really some

1447
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:42,559
character called victor

1448
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:45,760
but i wanted to do my own research and

1449
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:48,000
provide my own proof so

1450
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:49,520
i used

1451
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:52,720
voice print identification software

1452
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:54,640
now this is the kind of software that

1453
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:57,280
police and the fbi and other government

1454
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:00,240
agencies use as an investigative tool

1455
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,480
and so that's how we used it

1456
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:04,400
now a lot of people will say well i

1457
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:07,760
can't 100 percent identify the speaker

1458
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:10,240
but it can definitely exclude people as

1459
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,200
being the speaker so what i did is i

1460
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:15,440
loaded in all those victor samples both

1461
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:17,599
distorted and undistorted we ran a bunch

1462
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:19,200
of different tests

1463
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:22,960
and then we loaded in known voices of

1464
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:26,400
robert dean the producer of this project

1465
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:27,280
and

1466
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:30,319
many many other known vocal samples to

1467
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:33,280
try to get a match of the person

1468
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:35,920
answering the questions as victor

1469
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:38,160
and everyone that we loaded in got

1470
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,799
excluded except for one person

1471
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:42,400
and that person is the person the

1472
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:44,160
anonymous source said

1473
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:46,400
is the person asking victor the

1474
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:49,119
questions jim delatoso

1475
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:51,280
and i have to say i loaded in i don't

1476
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:53,920
know maybe a hundred different voices

1477
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:56,640
trying to get a voice match for victor

1478
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:58,240
now many of them had nothing to do with

1479
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:00,720
this but i did just by chance load in a

1480
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:02,960
whole bunch of people's voices that were

1481
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:05,520
involved in ufos and ufology just to try

1482
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:07,599
to see like maybe there was somebody

1483
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:10,559
else that was providing the voice it's

1484
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:12,480
important to note that the anonymous

1485
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:13,920
source told me

1486
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:16,160
that it was jim delatoso asking the

1487
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:17,839
questions but he didn't tell me that it

1488
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:20,319
was jim delatoso also

1489
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:23,040
answering the questions that i figured

1490
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:24,559
out on my own but he did point me in the

1491
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:25,599
direction

1492
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:27,760
uh he said that if you're able to

1493
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:29,920
somehow remove that vocal distortion

1494
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:31,680
you'll get a big surprise about how this

1495
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:34,480
thing was made and we sure did

1496
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:36,079
so it's important to note that this is

1497
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:39,119
forensic proof that cannot exclude jim

1498
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:40,880
deletoso for being

1499
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:43,119
either the voice asking the questions or

1500
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:44,480
the voice

1501
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:46,319
answering the questions

1502
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:49,280
it he was not excluded as either

1503
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:51,359
the voice of the person asking the

1504
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:53,359
questions or the voice of the person

1505
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:55,280
answering them now that's with and

1506
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:57,760
without vocal distortion

1507
01:02:01,670 --> 01:02:00,400
so i'm confident after loading in i

1508
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:01,680
don't know

1509
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:03,760
hundreds of voices and doing days and

1510
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:07,280
days of trying to voice print identify

1511
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:10,880
the victor character the only voice that

1512
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:14,799
i was unable to exclude as being a match

1513
01:02:19,349 --> 01:02:17,520
is jim delatoso

1514
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:19,359
so unfortunately we're gonna have to

1515
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:20,640
give him a call and confront him with

1516
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:21,920
what we found

1517
01:02:25,990 --> 01:02:24,000
and see what he has to say

1518
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:26,000
but here's another twist to this story

1519
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:28,240
my friends besides the voice print

1520
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:30,640
identification software i also have

1521
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:32,400
access to

1522
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:35,039
voice stress analysis software

1523
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:37,520
which is a form of lie detector that

1524
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:39,680
again many government agencies and

1525
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:41,839
police and law enforcement

1526
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:44,400
use as an investigative tool

1527
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:46,400
now a lot of people are going to say

1528
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:48,480
that it's not quite as accurate as a

1529
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:49,839
polygraph

1530
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:52,400
or that it's not admissible in court but

1531
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:54,480
again it's a really powerful

1532
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:56,720
investigative tool that could help you

1533
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:58,799
determine if someone is being truthful

1534
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:01,440
or lying or not and all it does is

1535
01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:02,640
analyze

1536
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:05,359
their voice as their answ answering

1537
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:06,880
questions

1538
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:07,920
so

1539
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:14,400
tell him that i'm doing that i'm simply

1540
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:16,079
going to record the interview then we're

1541
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:18,319
going to run the voice stress analysis

1542
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:20,319
software after i've confronted him and

1543
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:21,280
see

1544
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:23,359
what it has to say

1545
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:25,440
is he going to be truthful and

1546
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:27,280
tell us the truth that he participated

1547
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:29,119
in this hoax or is he going to lie about

1548
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:32,160
it let's get to the mystery phone

1549
01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:43,589
hi this is jim stephen

1550
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:45,920
yes hi jim i'm sorry about that i had

1551
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:47,520
something going on here i had to finish

1552
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:49,200
up that's right

1553
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:51,039
well if you weren't busy that means

1554
01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:52,880
you're not doing anything

1555
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:55,039
yeah i actually i've been up to my

1556
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:58,000
eyeballs i started this new show about

1557
01:04:03,430 --> 01:04:01,039
the paranormal i have a background as an

1558
01:04:05,589 --> 01:04:03,440
entertainment entertainer

1559
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:05,599
but uh i've had a lifelong interest in

1560
01:04:09,029 --> 01:04:07,520
this stuff so when i got the opportunity

1561
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:09,039
through a friend

1562
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:11,520
i uh yeah you know kind of jumped on it

1563
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:14,559
and we've been doing uh different stuff

1564
01:04:18,069 --> 01:04:16,000
great

1565
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:18,079
i've followed a lot of the stuff that

1566
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:19,359
you've been

1567
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:20,799
that you've done

1568
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:24,240
the phoenix lights the billy meyer uh

1569
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:27,280
analysis and uh yeah those those are the

1570
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:30,559
ones that become popularized by others

1571
01:04:34,549 --> 01:04:32,240
but there are

1572
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:34,559
many hundreds and hundreds literally

1573
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:36,000
that i've worked on that of course

1574
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:38,000
people never hear about

1575
01:04:43,109 --> 01:04:40,559
most of the the

1576
01:04:44,069 --> 01:04:43,119
analysis work that i've done over the

1577
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:44,079
years

1578
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:47,599
is for other investigators i don't

1579
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:49,440
really

1580
01:04:52,470 --> 01:04:50,799
do

1581
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:52,480
much analysis

1582
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:53,680
for

1583
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:56,400
the people that took the photographs

1584
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:57,359
okay

1585
01:05:01,510 --> 01:04:58,720
well that kind of makes sense people

1586
01:05:05,349 --> 01:05:01,520
need an expert i know uh i read a lot

1587
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:05,359
about you uh working with nasa and super

1588
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:08,319
computers happen to be besides

1589
01:05:12,309 --> 01:05:10,400
everything else a very part-time

1590
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:12,319
computer science student

1591
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:14,799
oh great very interested in some of the

1592
01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:16,880
methods that you use for that stuff but

1593
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:19,599
that's a separate issue what about what

1594
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:22,240
i've been really working on for the past

1595
01:05:26,230 --> 01:05:24,000
i i can't even tell you how long

1596
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:26,240
probably a couple months off and on

1597
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:29,200
is the alien interview

1598
01:05:33,029 --> 01:05:30,480
video

1599
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:33,039
yeah that's the one

1600
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:35,520
in the darkened room with the howdy duty

1601
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:37,440
puppet uh

1602
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:38,960
wamping around

1603
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:40,880
you're saying it's a howdy duty puppet

1604
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,319
now no

1605
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:44,400
well no i'm just i'm using that as a way

1606
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:45,920
of characterizing i don't know what it

1607
01:05:49,829 --> 01:05:47,039
is

1608
01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:49,839
you know uh in that era and i think that

1609
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:51,599
was

1610
01:06:05,589 --> 01:06:03,430
dynamics of the available equipment

1611
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:05,599
to do analysis with remember frame

1612
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:09,119
grabbers then were one frame at a time

1613
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:13,359
yeah and i uh i started with uh digital

1614
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:17,520
audio and video on an amiga so oh great

1615
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:19,359
i'm familiar well you're with me

1616
01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:22,240
you're a pioneer amiga was a fantastic

1617
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:24,319
product it really was i still have a

1618
01:06:29,510 --> 01:06:27,039
glove i refuse to to part with really

1619
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:29,520
yeah just yeah i don't use them i mean i

1620
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:31,200
play some games with them still once in

1621
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:33,440
a while but you could i mean

1622
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:35,520
there are certain things you could

1623
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:37,599
use the amiga for but

1624
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:40,160
at that time uh

1625
01:06:46,069 --> 01:06:43,039
we had a couple different companies that

1626
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:46,079
basically we rented stuff i mean we

1627
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:48,640
rented audio gear we rented computer

1628
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,480
graphics gear

1629
01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:52,559
we rented out measurement equipment

1630
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:54,319
scientific measurement equipment

1631
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:56,720
oscilloscopes vibration analysis

1632
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:58,160
equipment and

1633
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,160
rock and roll sound and lights and

1634
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:02,240
trucks but we rented gear so we

1635
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:04,000
represented

1636
01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:06,720
a lot of different kinds of products of

1637
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:09,200
course we had to know how to use them at

1638
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:12,160
least to an above average method

1639
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:13,599
but um

1640
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,079
you know the analysis techniques from

1641
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:18,480
back then the issues are still the same

1642
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:19,440
i mean

1643
01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:21,760
what what you look for

1644
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:23,680
you know to try to

1645
01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:24,880
get it back

1646
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:27,520
my approach was always

1647
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:30,480
a database and i did a lot of work

1648
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:31,920
initially and

1649
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:34,880
selling equipment to fingerprint labs

1650
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:36,880
into pathology

1651
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:39,440
microscopes and pattern recognition so

1652
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:43,119
you build up a database of known things

1653
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:44,960
and then when you measure an unknown you

1654
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:45,920
try to

1655
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:49,039
get a match in your database of known

1656
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:50,720
things and if you don't get a match it's

1657
01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:51,440
a

1658
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:01,440
uh

1659
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:09,680
on that and you're the person that asked

1660
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:15,109
uh

1661
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:18,719
i don't think i met victor i think

1662
01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:22,319
um you know victor was talked about

1663
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:23,440
but

1664
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:25,839
i don't recall meeting someone named

1665
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:33,829
um that the one video guy came but one

1666
01:08:39,269 --> 01:08:35,920
guy came to interview me and the reason

1667
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:39,279
i did the interview is um

1668
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:41,759
in my other life i did a lot of work

1669
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:43,199
with

1670
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:45,279
rock and roll band the moody blues and

1671
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:48,319
one of the guys who had played cello in

1672
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:50,560
one of their recording sessions

1673
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:52,880
was a guy that was doing the interview

1674
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:54,480
you know i don't even remember his name

1675
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:57,199
stephen but he was a young fellow i'd

1676
01:09:02,070 --> 01:08:58,960
play some

1677
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:02,080
i'd say he was in his 30s at the oldest

1678
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:02,799
and

1679
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:06,640
did the interview

1680
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:09,520
and uh he asked me questions about it

1681
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:11,359
and

1682
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:14,080
you know some things are objective where

1683
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:15,040
you

1684
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:24,480
do histograms histograms is

1685
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:26,799
one of the cornerstones you know doing

1686
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:28,880
things different kinds of edge analysis

1687
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:29,679
but

1688
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:32,159
you know it

1689
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:34,319
i recall that that one there just there

1690
01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:37,040
wasn't a lot of data

1691
01:09:41,189 --> 01:09:39,440
that i could extract i mean

1692
01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:41,199
this is the uh statement and that was

1693
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:43,359
about it from what i gathered

1694
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:46,159
what's that again there's the dni time

1695
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:47,679
stamp

1696
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:54,400
anyone could put that on i do recall

1697
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:55,840
that i uh

1698
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:58,000
looked at

1699
01:10:02,310 --> 01:09:59,760
i used

1700
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:02,320
vector scope and waveform analysis

1701
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:03,920
because

1702
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:07,280
if something has been edited

1703
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:09,040
videotaped

1704
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:11,760
there are electronic

1705
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:13,440
signals

1706
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:16,400
that you can see in the time base

1707
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:19,520
okay and that has to do with the head

1708
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:21,120
switching

1709
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:23,679
if something has been

1710
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:26,159
processed through a gen lock

1711
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:28,800
or a time-based corrector in order to

1712
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:31,679
aggregate different video pieces

1713
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,080
together well there

1714
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:36,239
is information

1715
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:39,120
that you can see that the that two

1716
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:44,630
have been aggregated or

1717
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:46,080
dissolved

1718
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:48,159
one on top of the other or something has

1719
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:52,239
been switched and was the dni number

1720
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:54,400
recorded at the same time that the

1721
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:57,600
images were recorded or was that put in

1722
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:58,800
later

1723
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:00,960
now it didn't mean that i was suspicious

1724
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:03,520
of something it's just you know you grab

1725
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:06,320
it threads for anything that you can

1726
01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:08,640
measure and when

1727
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:11,199
i seem to recall that that was of

1728
01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:14,480
supposedly sought on film

1729
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:16,960
uh and then was transferred to video is

1730
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:18,480
that right

1731
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:21,440
or do we know well the victor claimed

1732
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:23,600
that it was shot on videotape and in

1733
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:26,880
your analysis on the original dvd you

1734
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:29,679
said that that was likely not the case

1735
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:30,719
that it was

1736
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:32,960
likely originally

1737
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:36,080
shot on film and then transferred to db

1738
01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:38,159
too yeah to vhs

1739
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:41,679
i hate to ask this stephen but did i say

1740
01:11:45,669 --> 01:11:43,280
why

1741
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:45,679
no i don't i i mean i have the whole

1742
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:48,239
thing here i've watched it yeah okay

1743
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:50,400
i'm sure i'm sure that

1744
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:53,040
there was a reason why but then you

1745
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:55,280
later said that under certain

1746
01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:57,840
circumstances this victor character

1747
01:12:02,149 --> 01:11:59,600
could have been right and it could have

1748
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:02,159
went to video first and then it

1749
01:12:06,310 --> 01:12:04,159
transferred again and what you got was a

1750
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:06,320
third generation copy yeah because it

1751
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:12,310
yeah i think that

1752
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:15,600
because of the low lighting conditions

1753
01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:16,400
that

1754
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:18,560
the film brain

1755
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:19,920
you know the

1756
01:12:23,910 --> 01:12:22,880
video we have lines that's that we have

1757
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:23,920
lines

1758
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:25,120
but

1759
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:28,480
in film we have grain

1760
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:30,239
generally we could say

1761
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:31,440
one is

1762
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:33,520
analog image

1763
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:39,040
it's not digital videotaped isn't

1764
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:40,560
digital but when it goes into the

1765
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:42,960
computer it's now digital

1766
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:46,640
but the properties of film

1767
01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:48,800
when you shoot film

1768
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:52,239
is there is a grain pattern there's a

1769
01:12:56,790 --> 01:12:54,080
distribution of a

1770
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:56,800
of a like a sand

1771
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:00,480
that is granular particularly

1772
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:05,600
noticeable in the areas where there's um

1773
01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:08,880
like blooming when a bright light you

1774
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:10,960
know is on a high contrast dark

1775
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:13,600
background it'll get larger than it

1776
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:15,920
actually is because it's over driving

1777
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:22,390
you don't recall being the voice on that

1778
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:25,520
dvd that's asking the questions that

1779
01:13:29,189 --> 01:13:27,760
victor is answering

1780
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:29,199
you know i don't think i've ever seen

1781
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:30,880
the film itself

1782
01:13:34,830 --> 01:13:32,400
you've never seen the film

1783
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:34,840
have you seen the 2000 have you seen the

1784
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:36,640
2008

1785
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:38,719
special edition

1786
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:41,040
no i haven't seen any of those so you

1787
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:42,960
know a lot a lot of things that i do in

1788
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:44,480
the house list i do what someone asked

1789
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:47,520
me to do i do the analysis but i'm not

1790
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:48,960
out

1791
01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:50,640
you know sitting on the edge of my feet

1792
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:52,719
or watching on television or whatever

1793
01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:54,080
it's just not

1794
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:56,640
that deep of an involvement in that then

1795
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:57,679
is what you're saying they just

1796
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:00,000
interviewed for the analysis and answer

1797
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:02,640
to do they came by they came by he or

1798
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:06,239
they came by asked me to do an analysis

1799
01:14:10,709 --> 01:14:08,640
yeah we're pretty busy i mean i had

1800
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:10,719
justin village labs i had about 40

1801
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:13,440
employees and i

1802
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:15,040
with the chief engineer and the

1803
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:15,920
president

1804
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:18,560
i ran the place you know so

1805
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:21,040
in order to use that equipment

1806
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,760
i had to send people away business says

1807
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:25,679
village labs because i tried to find no

1808
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:28,480
it's a computer no i sold i saw i had a

1809
01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:30,480
heart attack and a stroke

1810
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:32,719
in 1999

1811
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:38,149
to

1812
01:14:42,149 --> 01:14:40,239
disney

1813
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:42,159
and i'm still in this i'm still in a

1814
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:44,239
similar business i mean i still do

1815
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:45,600
imaging but

1816
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:47,679
instead of doing special effects or

1817
01:14:52,310 --> 01:14:50,719
forensic it's all microscope images i've

1818
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:52,320
been

1819
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:54,640
in life sciences for

1820
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:57,840
15 years now in atomic force microscopy

1821
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,040
and

1822
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:01,679
working mostly in plant science

1823
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:04,080
and you know the movies to know to me is

1824
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:06,560
that you have such a distinctive voice

1825
01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:09,040
and i was sure that it was you asking

1826
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:11,440
the questions for this portion where

1827
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:13,520
this victor person who's blacked out and

1828
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:15,520
using a voice disguiser

1829
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:16,400
is

1830
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:19,280
answering these questions and it was no

1831
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:20,960
it could have been done for dub they

1832
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:22,800
didn't have you just record audio for

1833
01:15:26,229 --> 01:15:24,400
them asking these questions and put it

1834
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:26,239
in later you know

1835
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:29,760
i could have been asking questions

1836
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:32,719
to the person who was showing me

1837
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:35,040
the material there in my lab but i

1838
01:15:40,229 --> 01:15:37,360
certainly never

1839
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:40,239
uh never talk to a person with a

1840
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:42,560
disguised voice or

1841
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:45,360
anyone that was apparently directly

1842
01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:47,199
connected with the project

1843
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:48,560
you know that's what i was involved in

1844
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:51,120
what's also strange is that in this 2008

1845
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:52,560
special edition

1846
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:55,040
there there was a second new interview

1847
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:57,280
with this victor person and this year

1848
01:16:02,470 --> 01:15:59,600
the guy dressed up in a rubber cheney

1849
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:02,480
mask or something and this car drives

1850
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:04,960
out and he gets in and then

1851
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:07,120
the interviewer starts asking questions

1852
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:09,520
and i asked four or five people that are

1853
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:11,520
in the ufo field

1854
01:16:14,709 --> 01:16:13,120
because they don't list the interviewer

1855
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:14,719
in the credits who's asking the

1856
01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:16,480
questions who's the interviewer on this

1857
01:16:19,590 --> 01:16:17,360
new

1858
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:19,600
interview with victor yeah and every one

1859
01:16:24,390 --> 01:16:21,760
of them told me that it was you

1860
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:24,400
yeah i mean in the questions

1861
01:16:29,590 --> 01:16:27,280
if it was me it would have been them

1862
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:29,600
listing out questions

1863
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:31,360
that i asked

1864
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:33,120
of the person

1865
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:35,920
a young fellow that was there um

1866
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:38,560
interviewing me and that you know about

1867
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:40,159
so i would ask

1868
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:43,600
i'm sure i asked that person questions

1869
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:47,199
but uh talking about now is this 2008

1870
01:16:50,950 --> 01:16:49,199
yeah i never saw that but i mean if i if

1871
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:50,960
it was me doing the voiceover wouldn't

1872
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:53,920
they they have listed me in the credits

1873
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:56,480
i mean not that i'm a credit chaser but

1874
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:58,400
well you would you would think that they

1875
01:17:02,310 --> 01:17:00,560
would have had me do a release i think

1876
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:02,320
there might be a specific reason why

1877
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:04,239
they didn't want you listed in the

1878
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:05,520
credits

1879
01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:07,440
okay do you have any idea what that

1880
01:17:12,550 --> 01:17:09,040
reason could be

1881
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:12,560
well that they're up to hanky-panky

1882
01:17:15,830 --> 01:17:14,320
well you know that's funny and i like i

1883
01:17:17,430 --> 01:17:15,840
don't i mean is there something else is

1884
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:17,440
there something i never felt really

1885
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:19,440
comfortable

1886
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:20,560
about that

1887
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:22,800
it was pretty big something else which

1888
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:24,960
is why i'm really glad that i got to

1889
01:17:30,630 --> 01:17:27,040
contact you and talk to you directly

1890
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:32,310
also the victor

1891
01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:35,040
interview done by art bell on coast to

1892
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:37,440
coast you know

1893
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:39,920
sure i was on that show

1894
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:41,679
here what we have is

1895
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:44,560
we have three specific instances where

1896
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:46,320
this person victor the apparent

1897
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:49,199
whistleblower and provider of this

1898
01:17:53,590 --> 01:17:51,679
videotape was interviewed

1899
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:53,600
and all three times use a voice

1900
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:55,520
disguiser

1901
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:59,199
and in the art bell interview he used a

1902
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:00,960
voice disguiser

1903
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:05,360
flavor very similar to the voice

1904
01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:09,040
disguiser used in the 2008

1905
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:10,080
interview

1906
01:18:13,110 --> 01:18:11,120
which

1907
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:13,120
everybody tells me you're the guy asking

1908
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:15,280
the questions but the most interesting

1909
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:17,440
part to you and the most concerning part

1910
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:20,239
because i don't want to impe or

1911
01:18:23,669 --> 01:18:22,480
i don't want to damage anyone's

1912
01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:23,679
character

1913
01:18:27,270 --> 01:18:24,400
but

1914
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:27,280
you talked about databases

1915
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:29,440
knowns and unknowns

1916
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:31,040
so what i did

1917
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:33,600
being a computer science guy myself is i

1918
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:35,520
took those interviews

1919
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:37,679
and i took the pitch shifter off the

1920
01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:38,880
voice

1921
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:41,920
yeah of this victor character

1922
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:43,040
and then

1923
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:44,560
i took

1924
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:46,880
known samples

1925
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:49,679
of a person speaking

1926
01:18:52,390 --> 01:18:50,480
and

1927
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:52,400
i put him through the voice spent like a

1928
01:18:56,950 --> 01:18:54,960
phenom yes and then i put

1929
01:19:00,390 --> 01:18:56,960
i put the known and the unknown through

1930
01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:00,400
voice print identification software

1931
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:02,480
the most interesting one to me is this

1932
01:19:07,030 --> 01:19:05,199
2008 interview where you can hear the

1933
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:07,040
interviewer asking the questions and

1934
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:07,920
then the

1935
01:19:13,350 --> 01:19:11,520
the the distorted voice of victor comes

1936
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:13,360
answering the questions

1937
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:15,120
but when you remove

1938
01:19:21,430 --> 01:19:18,960
the voice disguise in the 2008 interview

1939
01:19:24,070 --> 01:19:21,440
what you get is an audio file of a

1940
01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:24,080
person interviewing themselves

1941
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:25,360
huh

1942
01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:27,520
that's interesting isn't it

1943
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:29,679
bizarre but you know i mean

1944
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:32,159
you know what the most bizarre thing is

1945
01:19:38,550 --> 01:19:35,280
that the known that i used

1946
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:38,560
was your voice jim oh yeah

1947
01:19:42,229 --> 01:19:40,159
so your voice

1948
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:42,239
forensically matches to the voice of

1949
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:44,000
victor in both

1950
01:19:48,830 --> 01:19:45,840
the art bell interview

1951
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:48,840
and in the 2008 interview of

1952
01:19:52,870 --> 01:19:51,120
victor that's nothing like what i would

1953
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:52,880
do steven that's

1954
01:19:59,030 --> 01:19:56,320
that's so i can't i i can't think of a

1955
01:20:00,790 --> 01:19:59,040
reason that i would do that and i

1956
01:20:02,709 --> 01:20:00,800
you know i i just

1957
01:20:07,590 --> 01:20:02,719
it's not

1958
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:07,600
if i was a catholic altar boy a boy

1959
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:09,679
scout because i became a hippie when it

1960
01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:11,280
was fashionable

1961
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:12,880
but uh

1962
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:14,880
that's i mean it's interesting that you

1963
01:20:19,030 --> 01:20:17,120
did that but uh

1964
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:19,040
maybe we should do it some other way

1965
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:20,880
because um it's not

1966
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,480
well i mean i can send you some of the

1967
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:24,480
files yeah yeah that'd be great i can

1968
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:27,199
comment on them my point though is this

1969
01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:29,360
i'm gonna do this show and present these

1970
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:31,520
findings and i didn't really want to do

1971
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:33,679
that without speaking to you and saying

1972
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:36,480
hey here's the proof and you tell me why

1973
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:38,560
this sounds exactly like you asking the

1974
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:40,719
questions and exactly like you answering

1975
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:43,040
the questions why does it sound exactly

1976
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:45,360
like you on art bell

1977
01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:47,360
yeah you have a very don't don't take

1978
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:48,639
this the wrong way because i don't mean

1979
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:51,040
it as an insult but very you have a very

1980
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:53,440
distinctive

1981
01:20:57,910 --> 01:20:55,840
manner of speaking and tone to your

1982
01:20:59,270 --> 01:20:57,920
voice it's very difficult to disguise

1983
01:21:02,310 --> 01:20:59,280
that in fact

1984
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:02,320
i suspected that it was the same person

1985
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:04,000
answering and asking the questions in

1986
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:06,080
that 2008 interview before i even

1987
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:08,719
removed vocal distortion and by the way

1988
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:10,560
yeah is there somewhere i could look at

1989
01:21:14,229 --> 01:21:12,400
that i mean do you have it up on youtube

1990
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:14,239
or do you have uh

1991
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:15,760
a file something

1992
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:18,080
i have i have audio files that i can

1993
01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:19,679
send to you that'd be great i'd be happy

1994
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:22,159
to do that i didn't want to uh to put

1995
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:25,040
these up i do this audio show it's a

1996
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:26,800
two-hour show and i'm gonna

1997
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:28,560
reveal the whole thing but i didn't want

1998
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:30,000
to do it without giving you an

1999
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:31,840
opportunity to respond yeah i would

2000
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:34,000
certainly welcome you listening to the

2001
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:36,960
stuff that i've done

2002
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:38,800
yeah i would like to opportunity because

2003
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:40,080
right now you're saying you don't know

2004
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:42,800
anything about any of this no i mean i

2005
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:44,719
wasn't involved in the

2006
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:46,800
problem i wasn't involved in making it i

2007
01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:49,199
wasn't involved in making it i haven't

2008
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:51,920
i haven't seen it

2009
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:53,840
say against you you had a financial

2010
01:21:57,430 --> 01:21:56,000
state they're still selling the dvd are

2011
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:57,440
you still getting some i don't have but

2012
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:59,760
i i don't have a financial stake i never

2013
01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:00,719
did

2014
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:06,080
wow or would i nor would i one of the

2015
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:08,480
situations with me

2016
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:11,760
in analyzing things

2017
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:14,960
or television television shows films is

2018
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:16,880
i never

2019
01:22:22,830 --> 01:22:20,320
ever have been paid

2020
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:22,840
really i never give it i never give an

2021
01:22:28,709 --> 01:22:25,920
invoice the only thing that i ever

2022
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:28,719
charge for is if i do

2023
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:30,560
supply

2024
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:32,000
b-roll

2025
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:33,840
or if i go

2026
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:37,360
and hunt graphics for them as a

2027
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:39,920
as a production service

2028
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:42,080
or i make computer graphics that will

2029
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:43,679
illustrate something

2030
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:47,040
then i may charge for that but i can't

2031
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:47,840
think

2032
01:22:51,990 --> 01:22:50,159
i probably couldn't count on one hand

2033
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:52,000
the number of times i have even charged

2034
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:53,120
for that

2035
01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:55,280
but

2036
01:23:00,629 --> 01:22:58,239
just so i can give you full disclosure

2037
01:23:01,669 --> 01:23:00,639
what i did to find known samples of you

2038
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:01,679
speaking

2039
01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:03,600
they were all taken from

2040
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:04,960
uh

2041
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:09,440
you're you know they're putting on the

2042
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:12,159
screen your name and you're shown and

2043
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:14,320
you're speaking yeah those are the known

2044
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:16,560
voice samples of you yeah that's great

2045
01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:18,320
well i've been on television a lot for

2046
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:20,960
that but i'm not uh one from the billy

2047
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:23,280
myers sound interview it's on youtube

2048
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:24,960
you can look you just put your name yeah

2049
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:26,639
i've never been paid for that

2050
01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:28,719
here's my reason for doing that steven

2051
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:30,639
because i am so

2052
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:33,199
involved in other

2053
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:38,629
of all kinds i mean mining medical

2054
01:23:45,430 --> 01:23:43,280
government etc etc not everyone

2055
01:23:47,350 --> 01:23:45,440
understands why someone might be

2056
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:47,360
interested in analyzing claims of the

2057
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:49,360
paranormal

2058
01:23:52,550 --> 01:23:51,520
it would be even worse

2059
01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:52,560
if

2060
01:24:12,310 --> 01:23:53,360
i

2061
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:12,320
where

2062
01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:15,120
i'm doing an analysis and i say that i

2063
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:16,480
don't think that this is a real

2064
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:18,239
photograph i don't i think that this has

2065
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:19,920
been doctored and

2066
01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:21,760
you know most of the time when i do that

2067
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:24,320
they don't even use me

2068
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:25,440
wow

2069
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:27,440
or if i give an opinion of like well

2070
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:29,199
this is what it could be

2071
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:31,600
i didn't find a match in the database so

2072
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:33,440
we know it's not

2073
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:37,600
headlights in the distance so it could

2074
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:40,400
be another kind of military aircraft or

2075
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:42,880
something that's not in my database

2076
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:45,120
could be this could be that could be an

2077
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:47,199
alien spacecraft

2078
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:50,800
but i stopped even doing that because

2079
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:53,600
an editor will like that bike and go

2080
01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:55,679
it's an alien spacecraft

2081
01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:58,960
or that's a list of choices that i have

2082
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:00,639
given and and

2083
01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:03,280
yeah i've heard you say uh like with the

2084
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:05,920
phoenix lights it's not flavors but i

2085
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:07,920
can't say it's an alien spacecraft but i

2086
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:10,719
can tell you that it's not flares so i i

2087
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:12,960
know what it isn't i i can tell what it

2088
01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:14,639
isn't but that doesn't mean i know what

2089
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:16,639
it is

2090
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:18,320
so yeah you know just for the record

2091
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:20,480
then you're saying it's not you doing

2092
01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:22,880
the interview in the 2000 absolutely not

2093
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:25,760
and it's not you answering the questions

2094
01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:29,600
no because uh i mean if it is it's taken

2095
01:25:33,669 --> 01:25:31,199
out of context

2096
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:33,679
that someone asked me

2097
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:36,480
to ask uh asks you know do you have any

2098
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:38,719
questions for me and i do ask questions

2099
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:41,040
a lot what kind of camera were you using

2100
01:25:47,669 --> 01:25:42,480
what was the

2101
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:47,679
did you have the auto focus on

2102
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:48,960
do you know the color temp do you

2103
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:50,400
remember the color temperature of the

2104
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:53,360
lights i will ask questions like that

2105
01:25:57,430 --> 01:25:56,159
just so that i can calibrate

2106
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:57,440
the metrics

2107
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:00,719
to a set of normals of what i'm

2108
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:03,280
trying to extract as data out of the

2109
01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:04,880
unknown

2110
01:26:09,430 --> 01:26:06,639
and that's the only way that that could

2111
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:09,440
have happened but that seems that seems

2112
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:10,960
unlikely what if i tell you i have

2113
01:26:16,629 --> 01:26:13,440
another source that says that you were

2114
01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:16,639
the person that was responsible for this

2115
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:19,360
yeah go ahead

2116
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:21,280
i mean that would be pure conjecture on

2117
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:23,120
their part well what if they were

2118
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:24,719
directly involved in the making of that

2119
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:30,790
no they'd be making it up they told me

2120
01:26:34,629 --> 01:26:32,239
that because i was not involved told me

2121
01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:34,639
that you uh did it did the

2122
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:36,639
project was a voiceover

2123
01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:38,480
yes the question is and then you voiced

2124
01:26:42,629 --> 01:26:40,080
over the video

2125
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:42,639
to help them did not you applied the

2126
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:43,840
distortion

2127
01:26:47,830 --> 01:26:46,320
to the victory no it did not absolutely

2128
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:47,840
not stephen

2129
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:49,199
absolutely not

2130
01:26:53,510 --> 01:26:51,360
i mean i'd like to talk to that person

2131
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:53,520
well what are you you really you think

2132
01:26:57,189 --> 01:26:55,280
that this forensic software is just

2133
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:57,199
wrong then or are you saying

2134
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:58,800
what your point is that somebody just

2135
01:27:01,830 --> 01:26:59,520
took

2136
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:01,840
you asking these very specific questions

2137
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:04,320
and answering them as victor what about

2138
01:27:09,750 --> 01:27:06,800
the art bell interview how did you i

2139
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:09,760
wasn't into art no it's victor no never

2140
01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:15,110
you know not me on art bell being victor

2141
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:16,000
i mean

2142
01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:18,800
what would my motivation be to you

2143
01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:21,520
my i suspect that you had some financial

2144
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:22,480
motive

2145
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:25,199
no nothing i mean i don't even know who

2146
01:27:29,590 --> 01:27:27,840
the production company is

2147
01:27:31,430 --> 01:27:29,600
but certainly

2148
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:31,440
they would not have a

2149
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:33,840
canceled check or a receipt for me

2150
01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:39,910
wow well i don't know i can't think of a

2151
01:27:44,229 --> 01:27:42,560
motive other than money or maybe just

2152
01:27:46,149 --> 01:27:44,239
you know

2153
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:46,159
a lot of people know me really well for

2154
01:27:49,900 --> 01:27:47,360
a long time

2155
01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:49,910
money is certainly not my motivation

2156
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:51,360
[Music]

2157
01:27:55,350 --> 01:27:53,360
well a lot of people have created hoaxes

2158
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:55,360
just to create them i don't know yeah i

2159
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:57,199
don't do that i don't do that stephen i

2160
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:58,880
don't do that

2161
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:00,880
so yeah that's really bad form that's

2162
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:03,440
bad form that's evil

2163
01:28:08,629 --> 01:28:05,120
you had nothing to do with making the

2164
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:08,639
actual alien interview video nothing

2165
01:28:12,149 --> 01:28:10,639
people came

2166
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:12,159
contacted me

2167
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:15,360
wanted me to look at it

2168
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:17,679
use a procedure that i thought was

2169
01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:19,520
appropriate

2170
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:22,480
and if i asked him questions i asked

2171
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:25,360
him or them i think it was one person

2172
01:28:30,550 --> 01:28:27,199
only that was there

2173
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:33,350
but i certainly would not get involved

2174
01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:36,000
in a hoax i just there's too much at

2175
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:37,120
stake

2176
01:28:42,149 --> 01:28:39,679
you know i've got kids i've got

2177
01:28:43,669 --> 01:28:42,159
normal life and there isn't any amount

2178
01:28:45,590 --> 01:28:43,679
of money that

2179
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:45,600
uh

2180
01:28:49,590 --> 01:28:48,000
one could make on a hoax

2181
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:49,600
that would make that

2182
01:28:53,990 --> 01:28:51,360
worth doing

2183
01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:54,000
and a lot of people naysayers over the

2184
01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:55,600
years from

2185
01:29:00,550 --> 01:28:56,560
to

2186
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:00,560
others have had negative statements but

2187
01:29:07,110 --> 01:29:04,080
not credible people not one time not one

2188
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:07,120
time ever in my career

2189
01:29:12,149 --> 01:29:09,520
has anyone challenged the

2190
01:29:14,229 --> 01:29:12,159
quality or the

2191
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:14,239
credibility of my work

2192
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:20,390
oh okay so you're saying

2193
01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:22,320
people have certainly criticized your

2194
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:24,480
analysis of the billy meyer photos and

2195
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:26,880
the phoenix yeah they do but i mean

2196
01:29:31,510 --> 01:29:29,440
but if you look carefully there's

2197
01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:31,520
somebody from the university arizona

2198
01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:32,880
that

2199
01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:36,480
was very quick i never analyzed i didn't

2200
01:29:41,910 --> 01:29:39,040
analyze the billy meyer pictures

2201
01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:41,920
you analyzed the sound on television

2202
01:29:47,590 --> 01:29:46,000
i did i took i took these sounds

2203
01:29:50,830 --> 01:29:47,600
to another lab

2204
01:29:52,790 --> 01:29:50,840
i took the pictures to a number of other

2205
01:29:56,550 --> 01:29:52,800
labs and

2206
01:30:00,310 --> 01:29:56,560
then in one circumstance

2207
01:30:02,709 --> 01:30:00,320
on the making of that contact film

2208
01:30:05,910 --> 01:30:02,719
they brought me some images that they

2209
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:05,920
had made themselves with a scale model

2210
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:07,600
and taken photographs and brought them

2211
01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:10,480
back to me and i analyzed those

2212
01:30:15,189 --> 01:30:12,560
and told them that

2213
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:15,199
it was a scale model

2214
01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:16,480
right in the film

2215
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:19,280
right there my ear says that but

2216
01:30:23,590 --> 01:30:22,080
uh there are with you about reputation

2217
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:23,600
though which is why i wanted to talk to

2218
01:30:28,149 --> 01:30:25,840
you because you know yeah i just go on

2219
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:28,159
and say hey here's what i found and this

2220
01:30:32,709 --> 01:30:30,560
guy is yeah well i sure would like to

2221
01:30:36,070 --> 01:30:32,719
talk to the person i'd do it live on the

2222
01:30:38,870 --> 01:30:36,080
air i'm not the person that says i was

2223
01:30:41,510 --> 01:30:38,880
involved in the 2008 and if they won't

2224
01:30:43,669 --> 01:30:41,520
do that they're making it up i mean i'll

2225
01:30:45,189 --> 01:30:43,679
say right now that they're lying

2226
01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:45,199
because i didn't i'm going to send you

2227
01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:48,560
the files that i have uh later tonight i

2228
01:30:51,669 --> 01:30:49,840
can help them all

2229
01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:51,679
for you and uh

2230
01:30:56,229 --> 01:30:53,840
you know i i don't know it just

2231
01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:56,239
to me it's dead it's dead on that it's

2232
01:31:04,390 --> 01:30:57,760
your voice

2233
01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:07,270
as a voice print as a female

2234
01:31:11,590 --> 01:31:08,480
no

2235
01:31:14,830 --> 01:31:11,600
a forensic analysis software used by the

2236
01:31:17,669 --> 01:31:14,840
fbi voice print to

2237
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:17,679
exclude uh you know suspects

2238
01:31:22,149 --> 01:31:20,080
it's a voice print to you yeah what's

2239
01:31:23,669 --> 01:31:22,159
what's the name of the software well i

2240
01:31:25,830 --> 01:31:23,679
can get you that i don't have it in

2241
01:31:29,270 --> 01:31:25,840
front of me you'll have to excuse me

2242
01:31:31,590 --> 01:31:29,280
yeah sorry but uh you also you know like

2243
01:31:34,229 --> 01:31:31,600
i said it's such a distinctive voice

2244
01:31:36,629 --> 01:31:34,239
that you have to my ears and to the 10

2245
01:31:37,830 --> 01:31:36,639
people i've played this stuff too saying

2246
01:31:40,550 --> 01:31:37,840
is this the same

2247
01:31:42,229 --> 01:31:40,560
voice everybody said yes the voice print

2248
01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:42,239
software said yes

2249
01:31:46,709 --> 01:31:44,159
everything was just pointing to

2250
01:31:48,790 --> 01:31:46,719
you know you uh i don't want to say

2251
01:31:50,870 --> 01:31:48,800
perpetrating some kind of fraud but

2252
01:31:52,550 --> 01:31:50,880
something is not right there when the

2253
01:31:54,470 --> 01:31:52,560
person yeah something's not right there

2254
01:31:56,310 --> 01:31:54,480
and i

2255
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:56,320
i'm gonna say that

2256
01:32:00,709 --> 01:31:58,800
i haven't heard you say that i'm

2257
01:32:02,310 --> 01:32:00,719
perpetrating a hoax you're saying that

2258
01:32:07,750 --> 01:32:02,320
the

2259
01:32:10,070 --> 01:32:07,760
that's

2260
01:32:11,590 --> 01:32:10,080
no i i had a major lie

2261
01:32:13,189 --> 01:32:11,600
i was not i had nothing to do with

2262
01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:13,199
through all i didn't even know that it

2263
01:32:17,590 --> 01:32:15,040
existed

2264
01:32:19,430 --> 01:32:17,600
the 2008 version you didn't know that

2265
01:32:23,270 --> 01:32:19,440
that film that you were in existed or

2266
01:32:24,790 --> 01:32:23,280
the 2000 no no the 2008 version

2267
01:32:28,070 --> 01:32:24,800
well

2268
01:32:32,550 --> 01:32:29,990
or why would i know

2269
01:32:34,149 --> 01:32:32,560
well i i i assumed that they called you

2270
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:34,159
and asked you to do

2271
01:32:41,830 --> 01:32:36,320
the voice overs again or no reviews

2272
01:32:47,430 --> 01:32:45,030
but when you say who is who is they the

2273
01:32:49,669 --> 01:32:47,440
producers of the film that are selling

2274
01:32:51,430 --> 01:32:49,679
it currently which usually

2275
01:32:53,510 --> 01:32:51,440
films the rights were sold to somebody

2276
01:32:54,790 --> 01:32:53,520
new who hasn't returned my walls for any

2277
01:32:57,270 --> 01:32:54,800
comment

2278
01:32:59,750 --> 01:32:57,280
yeah i don't even know who that is

2279
01:33:04,390 --> 01:32:59,760
i mean i don't follow

2280
01:33:08,790 --> 01:33:06,550
but i mean they certainly

2281
01:33:11,110 --> 01:33:08,800
if someone contacted me and asked me to

2282
01:33:12,149 --> 01:33:11,120
be involved with it

2283
01:33:20,229 --> 01:33:12,159
i don't

2284
01:33:24,629 --> 01:33:22,550
if they work if i worked on it with them

2285
01:33:26,790 --> 01:33:24,639
i sure would like to know the dates of

2286
01:33:29,030 --> 01:33:26,800
when and where

2287
01:33:32,149 --> 01:33:29,040
well because i keep meticulous records

2288
01:33:34,830 --> 01:33:32,159
of where i am every day

2289
01:33:38,709 --> 01:33:34,840
so i can go back

2290
01:33:40,950 --> 01:33:38,719
and with uh 90 plus percent accuracy

2291
01:33:43,110 --> 01:33:40,960
tell you where i was and wasn't on a

2292
01:33:45,189 --> 01:33:43,120
given day if they say that i was at a

2293
01:33:48,550 --> 01:33:45,199
studio or somewhere

2294
01:33:50,790 --> 01:33:48,560
you know modifying my voice and

2295
01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:50,800
questions and answers interview didn't

2296
01:33:54,310 --> 01:33:51,760
happen

2297
01:33:56,470 --> 01:33:54,320
well you have to admit though

2298
01:33:57,910 --> 01:33:56,480
jim i mean

2299
01:33:59,350 --> 01:33:57,920
if you're a computer science guy and

2300
01:34:00,870 --> 01:33:59,360
musician i'm pretty sure you know how to

2301
01:34:06,229 --> 01:34:00,880
work a voice distorter and do a

2302
01:34:11,510 --> 01:34:08,149
you have the technical capability to do

2303
01:34:13,110 --> 01:34:11,520
it don't you would you admit that much

2304
01:34:15,510 --> 01:34:13,120
no i don't

2305
01:34:19,110 --> 01:34:15,520
i mean i don't i don't have

2306
01:34:21,910 --> 01:34:19,120
a voice distortion unit

2307
01:34:24,070 --> 01:34:21,920
at my fingertips i mean i'm sure we

2308
01:34:26,870 --> 01:34:24,080
haven't had it in our arsenal stuff but

2309
01:34:30,380 --> 01:34:26,880
by 2008 i was

2310
01:34:32,310 --> 01:34:30,390
10 years plus out of that business

2311
01:34:34,870 --> 01:34:32,320
[Music]

2312
01:34:36,310 --> 01:34:34,880
okay well you know i i guess we've come

2313
01:34:38,470 --> 01:34:36,320
to an impasse because i don't think

2314
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:38,480
there's anything else that we can get

2315
01:34:43,669 --> 01:34:40,320
from this conversation until there

2316
01:34:49,109 --> 01:34:45,990
because i what i'm saying is that it's

2317
01:34:50,870 --> 01:34:49,119
your voice that's my that's my

2318
01:34:53,270 --> 01:34:50,880
i don't want to say

2319
01:34:54,950 --> 01:34:53,280
opinion because to me it's a fact it's a

2320
01:34:56,709 --> 01:34:54,960
fact that it's your voice

2321
01:34:58,149 --> 01:34:56,719
doing this interview

2322
01:35:01,109 --> 01:34:58,159
and answering the question

2323
01:35:04,229 --> 01:35:01,119
not a fact it's not a fact the only way

2324
01:35:05,270 --> 01:35:04,239
so the software that matched you as your

2325
01:35:07,270 --> 01:35:05,280
voice

2326
01:35:09,590 --> 01:35:07,280
so it's a fact well then i the software

2327
01:35:12,390 --> 01:35:09,600
i want but i want to see the

2328
01:35:15,189 --> 01:35:12,400
forensic software done again by someone

2329
01:35:16,950 --> 01:35:15,199
who does that as an occupation

2330
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:16,960
okay

2331
01:35:20,950 --> 01:35:18,960
well i don't have a problem with that i

2332
01:35:23,430 --> 01:35:20,960
have no problem at all i don't know

2333
01:35:24,390 --> 01:35:23,440
who's gonna with that if it's if it's

2334
01:35:28,470 --> 01:35:24,400
done

2335
01:35:36,070 --> 01:35:28,480
with forensic software used by the fbi

2336
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:40,229
again what if they get a match

2337
01:35:43,590 --> 01:35:41,910
they can't get a match the only way that

2338
01:35:46,070 --> 01:35:43,600
they would get a match

2339
01:35:48,390 --> 01:35:46,080
is if somebody

2340
01:35:49,830 --> 01:35:48,400
without my knowledge

2341
01:35:51,910 --> 01:35:49,840
lifted my

2342
01:35:54,550 --> 01:35:51,920
voice

2343
01:35:56,310 --> 01:35:54,560
out of something else and edited in but

2344
01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:56,320
the per you're saying is somebody says

2345
01:35:59,910 --> 01:35:58,560
that that's not the case

2346
01:36:03,189 --> 01:35:59,920
that it was done with my full

2347
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:03,199
cooperation and it's not

2348
01:36:06,629 --> 01:36:05,280
wasn't

2349
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:06,639
was i even

2350
01:36:12,950 --> 01:36:10,400
remotely involved with it

2351
01:36:15,189 --> 01:36:12,960
well you're on the dvd so obviously you

2352
01:36:16,950 --> 01:36:15,199
were somewhat involved with it

2353
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:16,960
yeah in the 90s

2354
01:36:22,149 --> 01:36:19,760
okay in the 90s

2355
01:36:24,310 --> 01:36:22,159
yeah okay well like i said i think we're

2356
01:36:25,910 --> 01:36:24,320
at an impasse i will send you the files

2357
01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:25,920
that i have if you provide me with the

2358
01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:28,400
email address and then i get to talk to

2359
01:36:32,390 --> 01:36:30,000
you one more time

2360
01:36:34,229 --> 01:36:32,400
i don't know about getting somebody else

2361
01:36:36,229 --> 01:36:34,239
to do the voice print

2362
01:36:37,910 --> 01:36:36,239
because i'm not trying to expend because

2363
01:36:39,910 --> 01:36:37,920
i'm not sure what the expense involved

2364
01:36:41,189 --> 01:36:39,920
is in that is going to be

2365
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:41,199
i'll pay for it

2366
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:42,560
really

2367
01:36:49,189 --> 01:36:46,870
why don't you give me an email address

2368
01:36:53,510 --> 01:36:49,199
and i'll send you the files that i have

2369
01:36:55,030 --> 01:36:53,520
okay toso at cox i'm sorry

2370
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:55,040
k-o-s-o

2371
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:57,840
t-o-s-o

2372
01:37:00,870 --> 01:36:59,440
c-o-x

2373
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:00,880
dot net

2374
01:37:05,030 --> 01:37:04,159
t-o-s-o cox.net

2375
01:37:06,950 --> 01:37:05,040
right

2376
01:37:07,830 --> 01:37:06,960
okay i can uh

2377
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:07,840
what i'm going to do is i'm going to

2378
01:37:13,109 --> 01:37:10,080
send you the vocal samples with and

2379
01:37:14,550 --> 01:37:13,119
without the distortion removed

2380
01:37:16,629 --> 01:37:14,560
and then i'm going to send you how did

2381
01:37:19,189 --> 01:37:16,639
you how did you

2382
01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:19,199
remove the distortion well how would you

2383
01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:21,440
have known what the

2384
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:23,920
ring modulation settings were extended

2385
01:37:27,430 --> 01:37:25,840
it's just pitch bended but the

2386
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:27,440
interesting thing about the voice print

2387
01:37:31,109 --> 01:37:29,360
software is that it can identify a voice

2388
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:31,119
that's been pitch shifted or not pitch

2389
01:37:36,070 --> 01:37:33,360
shifted distorted or not distorted

2390
01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:36,080
disguised or not disguised

2391
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:37,040
so

2392
01:37:41,669 --> 01:37:38,960
that's fair enough i mean what is that

2393
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:41,679
software can you tell me what that is

2394
01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:43,440
yes i can i will let you know in the

2395
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:45,119
email that i said

2396
01:37:47,750 --> 01:37:46,639
i don't i don't have a computer right in

2397
01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:47,760
front of me

2398
01:37:51,669 --> 01:37:48,719
but it's

2399
01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:51,679
a common software used by i'm told fbi

2400
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:53,440
and law enforcement

2401
01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:54,960
to uh

2402
01:37:57,669 --> 01:37:55,840
well i'm

2403
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:57,679
here's the thing steven i'm

2404
01:38:03,590 --> 01:38:00,239
real familiar

2405
01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:03,600
with the software for forensic analysis

2406
01:38:06,629 --> 01:38:05,679
of signal processing

2407
01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:06,639
voice

2408
01:38:11,510 --> 01:38:09,119
wire caps

2409
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:11,520
image analysis

2410
01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:13,600
i mean i've been

2411
01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:14,880
witness

2412
01:38:18,790 --> 01:38:17,600
in murder cases

2413
01:38:22,229 --> 01:38:18,800
where

2414
01:38:24,149 --> 01:38:22,239
a video shot at night

2415
01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:24,159
to be able to tell whether it was this

2416
01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:26,639
black guy or that black guy that killed

2417
01:38:29,580 --> 01:38:28,480
that black guy

2418
01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:29,590
and

2419
01:38:34,790 --> 01:38:30,880
[Music]

2420
01:38:36,629 --> 01:38:34,800
wiretap and editing and being able to

2421
01:38:37,669 --> 01:38:36,639
tell that something has been switched

2422
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:37,679
edited

2423
01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:39,840
i'm real familiar with the software i'm

2424
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:43,840
real familiar with fourier transforms

2425
01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:46,080
and how analysis is done i have a large

2426
01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:48,400
circle of friends

2427
01:38:53,830 --> 01:38:51,600
that do that kind of analysis so

2428
01:38:55,189 --> 01:38:53,840
um you know what i think though

2429
01:38:58,709 --> 01:38:55,199
besides that

2430
01:39:01,750 --> 01:38:58,719
it just to anyone's ear it's your voice

2431
01:39:03,990 --> 01:39:01,760
to me i i think it's clear okay that's

2432
01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:04,000
again i agree that's my opinion and

2433
01:39:07,510 --> 01:39:05,840
that's the opinion of the listener

2434
01:39:09,350 --> 01:39:07,520
but

2435
01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:09,360
okay

2436
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:11,280
i will let that stop that that

2437
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:13,920
subjective analysis we need to have some

2438
01:39:19,910 --> 01:39:16,639
metrics of a voice print and a voice

2439
01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:19,920
print is a very specific thing

2440
01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:22,480
it's a phenom

2441
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:23,920
and

2442
01:39:31,590 --> 01:39:29,840
domain that's called fft fast fourier

2443
01:39:34,550 --> 01:39:31,600
transforms

2444
01:39:36,629 --> 01:39:34,560
and that's how you get a voice print

2445
01:39:40,629 --> 01:39:36,639
and

2446
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:40,639
as i said if my voice if that is my

2447
01:39:45,669 --> 01:39:41,760
voice

2448
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:45,679
then we need to talk to the editor

2449
01:39:49,740 --> 01:39:47,760
i'll do it on television

2450
01:39:51,109 --> 01:39:49,750
i mean on your interview

2451
01:39:52,149 --> 01:39:51,119
[Applause]

2452
01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:52,159
now

2453
01:39:57,109 --> 01:39:55,040
when was that recorded and what were the

2454
01:39:59,510 --> 01:39:57,119
circumstances who was there what kind of

2455
01:40:01,510 --> 01:39:59,520
microphone who was directing what did

2456
01:40:03,990 --> 01:40:01,520
they record it on

2457
01:40:06,709 --> 01:40:04,000
uh how was my voice

2458
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:06,719
listed out did i sign a release that i

2459
01:40:10,790 --> 01:40:08,880
signed with something anything

2460
01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:10,800
did they pay me money do they have a

2461
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:12,320
cancelled check

2462
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:14,400
do they have a release and the answer to

2463
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:15,280
those

2464
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:22,390
well like i said i think i don't i'm not

2465
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:23,920
sure there's anything else we can do

2466
01:40:27,750 --> 01:40:25,520
i'll send you these voice samples and

2467
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:27,760
then you can tell me again if you like

2468
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:30,320
that it's not your voice because if but

2469
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:33,280
if it is my voice i will tell you okay

2470
01:40:37,830 --> 01:40:35,760
well let's let's let me if it's my voice

2471
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:37,840
on there then i'll tell you let me get

2472
01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:40,239
some files and then we have to determine

2473
01:40:44,629 --> 01:40:43,840
how did they get my voice

2474
01:40:47,669 --> 01:40:44,639
well

2475
01:40:49,510 --> 01:40:47,679
which i'm sure the producers will will

2476
01:40:50,629 --> 01:40:49,520
convene that to you wouldn't they

2477
01:40:52,709 --> 01:40:50,639
wouldn't they

2478
01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:52,719
well i'll tell you nobody's returned my

2479
01:40:55,030 --> 01:40:53,760
calls

2480
01:40:57,270 --> 01:40:55,040
so

2481
01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:57,280
yeah i don't even know but i don't even

2482
01:41:02,470 --> 01:41:00,639
know who the people are

2483
01:41:04,950 --> 01:41:02,480
it took some digging for me to find out

2484
01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:04,960
who owned the website that's selling the

2485
01:41:09,750 --> 01:41:08,320
dvd and i contacted that person

2486
01:41:11,910 --> 01:41:09,760
and

2487
01:41:12,950 --> 01:41:11,920
no no reply

2488
01:41:14,790 --> 01:41:12,960
so

2489
01:41:17,109 --> 01:41:14,800
i i don't believe that whoever is

2490
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:17,119
selling that dvd it's in their interest

2491
01:41:21,270 --> 01:41:19,199
to uh answer any questions they're

2492
01:41:22,310 --> 01:41:21,280
making money selling that dvd

2493
01:41:25,030 --> 01:41:22,320
yeah

2494
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:25,040
well i i would like to contact them

2495
01:41:31,030 --> 01:41:28,480
myself and get a copy of the release

2496
01:41:34,629 --> 01:41:31,040
that i would have signed giving them the

2497
01:41:37,030 --> 01:41:34,639
right and authority to uh

2498
01:41:39,669 --> 01:41:37,040
to use my voice

2499
01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:39,679
and edit me out of context if that is

2500
01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:41,840
what it is which i'll know after i hear

2501
01:41:46,070 --> 01:41:43,840
the pieces that you send me

2502
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:46,080
sure well let me get the let me get some

2503
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:47,600
of the clips that i've been working with

2504
01:41:50,950 --> 01:41:49,440
together and i will send them over to

2505
01:41:53,270 --> 01:41:50,960
you and i'm going to send you the

2506
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:53,280
unedited with the distortion and i'm

2507
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:55,760
going to send it to you once

2508
01:42:02,870 --> 01:41:58,960
yeah with the pitch shift corrected back

2509
01:42:04,950 --> 01:42:02,880
to uh as close to regular voices can be

2510
01:42:06,790 --> 01:42:04,960
and you you can figure it

2511
01:42:08,470 --> 01:42:06,800
you know

2512
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:08,480
i don't know i think that you should be

2513
01:42:12,790 --> 01:42:09,679
intimately

2514
01:42:18,149 --> 01:42:12,800
uh aware of what your own voice is and

2515
01:42:22,229 --> 01:42:20,310
i hear my own voice in my head all the

2516
01:42:24,629 --> 01:42:22,239
time and i've heard it on audio and

2517
01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:24,639
video many many times

2518
01:42:28,629 --> 01:42:26,400
well you know i can understand this

2519
01:42:30,870 --> 01:42:28,639
argument that maybe they took questions

2520
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:30,880
that you asked and cut it up later for

2521
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:34,480
this 2008 interview maybe but

2522
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:36,000
what are the kind of questions that i'm

2523
01:42:41,189 --> 01:42:37,199
asking

2524
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:41,199
how do you feel about the fact that the

2525
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:43,679
do you feel vindicated that the

2526
01:42:48,629 --> 01:42:45,840
the video has never been

2527
01:42:51,430 --> 01:42:48,639
debunked or proven a fraud mostly it's

2528
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:51,440
this guy victor ranting but like i said

2529
01:42:55,910 --> 01:42:53,920
i would never ask a question like that

2530
01:42:57,910 --> 01:42:55,920
because if they only interviewed me one

2531
01:43:01,350 --> 01:42:57,920
time steven listen to me if they only

2532
01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:01,360
interviewed me one time in the 90s

2533
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:04,719
how would i know or be able to say then

2534
01:43:09,430 --> 01:43:07,280
ask them how they felt about it to be

2535
01:43:10,790 --> 01:43:09,440
them being vindicated because it's never

2536
01:43:12,709 --> 01:43:10,800
been challenged

2537
01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:12,719
because at that time

2538
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:15,199
who all had analyzed it

2539
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:17,840
so there wasn't any time factor that

2540
01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:19,760
would have gone by

2541
01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:21,840
for me to say how do you feel are you

2542
01:43:26,709 --> 01:43:25,280
vindicated i'm talking about the 2008

2543
01:43:27,510 --> 01:43:26,719
interview that's what i'm talking about

2544
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:27,520
too

2545
01:43:31,350 --> 01:43:30,000
yeah it originally came out in 1996 so

2546
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:31,360
there would have been plenty of time for

2547
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:33,040
people to debunk it

2548
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:36,400
i know but i'm not i was not involved in

2549
01:43:42,709 --> 01:43:40,560
the 2008 video okay well like i said i i

2550
01:43:45,189 --> 01:43:42,719
i i appreciate your position and i'm

2551
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:45,199
glad that i talked to you before i just

2552
01:43:49,750 --> 01:43:46,800
went and ran with something and made

2553
01:43:51,109 --> 01:43:49,760
accusations that haven't been

2554
01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:51,119
at least give you the opportunity to

2555
01:43:54,310 --> 01:43:52,800
respond i'm going to send you these

2556
01:43:55,510 --> 01:43:54,320
files so that you can listen to them

2557
01:43:57,590 --> 01:43:55,520
yourself

2558
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:57,600
okay you know very good fair enough to

2559
01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:59,280
talk to you again and and get an

2560
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:01,360
opportunity to hear what you think once

2561
01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:03,520
you hear the files that are

2562
01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:04,960
sent to you

2563
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:06,800
yeah sounds great

2564
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:08,480
all right well i think i thank you very

2565
01:44:12,709 --> 01:44:10,480
much jim i appreciate your time yeah

2566
01:44:15,270 --> 01:44:12,719
well i appreciate you uh reaching out to

2567
01:44:17,109 --> 01:44:15,280
me and uh all i can say is keep on doing

2568
01:44:18,709 --> 01:44:17,119
what you're doing somebody's got to set

2569
01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:18,719
the boundaries

2570
01:44:24,709 --> 01:44:21,840
even if i get what if i get slugged into

2571
01:44:27,109 --> 01:44:24,719
the meat grinder for a little while

2572
01:44:28,550 --> 01:44:27,119
but you know i don't have anything

2573
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:28,560
i don't have anything personal against

2574
01:44:33,189 --> 01:44:30,639
what you're doing it's not my attention

2575
01:44:35,590 --> 01:44:33,199
and it's not personal because here's the

2576
01:44:37,990 --> 01:44:35,600
thing just looking into your background

2577
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:38,000
if you and i met we would be friends

2578
01:44:40,709 --> 01:44:39,679
because we're into so many of the same

2579
01:44:42,629 --> 01:44:40,719
things

2580
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:42,639
all the computer stuff and everything i

2581
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:44,159
don't want to take a guy that's a lot

2582
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:47,040
like me and and do that to him or or

2583
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:49,600
affect his reputation negatively unless

2584
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:51,679
it's deserved if it's deserved you know

2585
01:44:55,189 --> 01:44:53,760
i'm sorry i gotta report what i found

2586
01:44:57,189 --> 01:44:55,199
because i think it's important people

2587
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:57,199
know the truth about that film

2588
01:44:59,830 --> 01:44:58,880
if if it is

2589
01:45:02,790 --> 01:44:59,840
you know

2590
01:45:05,510 --> 01:45:02,800
a hoax

2591
01:45:06,550 --> 01:45:05,520
yeah i don't do that i mean um i've said

2592
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:06,560
that before

2593
01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:09,600
i think this is the 11th time on our

2594
01:45:12,870 --> 01:45:10,880
phone call

2595
01:45:15,510 --> 01:45:12,880
i just don't do hoaxes i don't get

2596
01:45:17,270 --> 01:45:15,520
involved with phone i

2597
01:45:20,709 --> 01:45:17,280
you know i work on

2598
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:20,719
things to do with better food and

2599
01:45:26,149 --> 01:45:23,199
control of diseases and

2600
01:45:29,189 --> 01:45:26,159
really deep science where all someone

2601
01:45:31,189 --> 01:45:29,199
has is the integrity

2602
01:45:32,870 --> 01:45:31,199
of what you're saying what you're doing

2603
01:45:35,510 --> 01:45:32,880
and what people believe those are you

2604
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:35,520
would do and that they trust you

2605
01:45:39,990 --> 01:45:37,440
so yeah

2606
01:45:43,510 --> 01:45:40,000
except in the ufo field

2607
01:45:48,390 --> 01:45:43,520
i can't think of anyone i've met i'm 67

2608
01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:51,189
it just doesn't happen in the ufo field

2609
01:45:54,149 --> 01:45:52,239
there's

2610
01:45:55,910 --> 01:45:54,159
very few people that are out doing what

2611
01:45:58,390 --> 01:45:55,920
you're doing trying to get to the bottom

2612
01:46:00,629 --> 01:45:58,400
of things i mean it's unfortunate that

2613
01:46:03,910 --> 01:46:00,639
it sounds like my voice

2614
01:46:04,790 --> 01:46:03,920
or that somebody cut up my voice

2615
01:46:06,390 --> 01:46:04,800
but

2616
01:46:07,990 --> 01:46:06,400
that doesn't mean that difficult to do

2617
01:46:09,910 --> 01:46:08,000
and in the case of the art bell

2618
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:09,920
interview because it's like an hour of

2619
01:46:15,430 --> 01:46:12,480
them asking questions and you talking i

2620
01:46:18,390 --> 01:46:15,440
see i just wouldn't do that

2621
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:18,400
i i mean i just i just wouldn't

2622
01:46:23,270 --> 01:46:21,040
you know and i've spent

2623
01:46:24,629 --> 01:46:23,280
so much time in and out of the hospital

2624
01:46:27,430 --> 01:46:24,639
in the last

2625
01:46:32,229 --> 01:46:27,440
10 years that

2626
01:46:34,950 --> 01:46:32,239
you know my daughter was born in 1999

2627
01:46:38,229 --> 01:46:34,960
and for in me spending time at home

2628
01:46:40,629 --> 01:46:38,239
taking care of her as her only parent

2629
01:46:41,990 --> 01:46:40,639
that would be a really strange thing for

2630
01:46:44,629 --> 01:46:42,000
me to do

2631
01:46:47,350 --> 01:46:44,639
to go out and hope something

2632
01:46:48,310 --> 01:46:47,360
in the midst of working on science

2633
01:46:52,149 --> 01:46:48,320
things

2634
01:46:54,550 --> 01:46:52,159
and raising an eight-year-old in 2008.

2635
01:46:56,470 --> 01:46:54,560
well i i completely agree with that

2636
01:46:58,229 --> 01:46:56,480
that's why i contacted you because it

2637
01:46:59,910 --> 01:46:58,239
seemed to me be out of character for

2638
01:47:01,350 --> 01:46:59,920
everything else that i saw him doing the

2639
01:47:02,709 --> 01:47:01,360
research yeah

2640
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:02,719
sure

2641
01:47:10,149 --> 01:47:07,040
i'm the proud owner of 11 stents

2642
01:47:14,790 --> 01:47:10,159
and i have had a

2643
01:47:17,109 --> 01:47:14,800
a rugged time over the years

2644
01:47:18,709 --> 01:47:17,119
keeping you know up and optimistic and

2645
01:47:20,629 --> 01:47:18,719
energetic but

2646
01:47:24,950 --> 01:47:20,639
most

2647
01:47:27,750 --> 01:47:24,960
talking about

2648
01:47:30,470 --> 01:47:27,760
since about 19

2649
01:47:33,030 --> 01:47:30,480
since the the purposeful debunking of my

2650
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:33,040
work was done you know on the phoenix

2651
01:47:37,189 --> 01:47:35,040
lights and people saying well

2652
01:47:39,750 --> 01:47:37,199
you can't do color spectrum analysis

2653
01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:39,760
well you can and you do that's the only

2654
01:47:44,390 --> 01:47:41,840
way that you can separate out different

2655
01:47:47,270 --> 01:47:44,400
kinds of lights

2656
01:47:49,270 --> 01:47:47,280
color histograms but

2657
01:47:50,390 --> 01:47:49,280
i've haven't been involved in the field

2658
01:47:53,270 --> 01:47:50,400
very much

2659
01:47:55,669 --> 01:47:53,280
since then there's no upside to it there

2660
01:47:58,550 --> 01:47:55,679
is no upside

2661
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:58,560
ufo investigators eat their young

2662
01:48:03,270 --> 01:48:01,199
people say whatever they want to say

2663
01:48:09,430 --> 01:48:03,280
without

2664
01:48:11,669 --> 01:48:09,440
opinions as fact and it just goes on and

2665
01:48:13,669 --> 01:48:11,679
on and on

2666
01:48:16,310 --> 01:48:13,679
well folks i guess that will conclude

2667
01:48:17,910 --> 01:48:16,320
our interview with mr delatoso and you

2668
01:48:19,669 --> 01:48:17,920
know i couldn't help think but at the

2669
01:48:21,350 --> 01:48:19,679
end of our conversation he was trying to

2670
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:21,360
take a shot at me

2671
01:48:24,550 --> 01:48:22,560
uh but

2672
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:24,560
i mean the fact remains is that i showed

2673
01:48:29,189 --> 01:48:26,960
him the evidence i sent him the evidence

2674
01:48:31,990 --> 01:48:29,199
previously and he has refused to call me

2675
01:48:33,590 --> 01:48:32,000
back or comment on all the files and

2676
01:48:35,669 --> 01:48:33,600
everything that i sent him

2677
01:48:37,189 --> 01:48:35,679
he will not get back to me so you know

2678
01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:37,199
he's there at the end saying people say

2679
01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:39,440
whatever they want to say without proof

2680
01:48:44,629 --> 01:48:42,400
or i gave you the scientific proof you

2681
01:48:46,709 --> 01:48:44,639
just refused to accept it

2682
01:48:48,709 --> 01:48:46,719
now it's important to also mention that

2683
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:48,719
there was one other person that i am

2684
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:51,360
convinced helped create this hoax and

2685
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:53,920
that is sean morton

2686
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:55,920
some people may remember him as a ufo

2687
01:49:02,070 --> 01:48:59,520
investigator uh you know a long time ago

2688
01:49:03,590 --> 01:49:02,080
and he used to do tours of area 51 and

2689
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:03,600
all this other stuff

2690
01:49:08,550 --> 01:49:05,920
but sean morton since then

2691
01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:08,560
declared himself uh psychic

2692
01:49:12,950 --> 01:49:10,960
and uh you know besides being a ufo

2693
01:49:15,270 --> 01:49:12,960
investigator an expert

2694
01:49:17,589 --> 01:49:15,280
he heavily promoted this thing

2695
01:49:19,589 --> 01:49:17,599
at the time and went around lecturing on

2696
01:49:22,709 --> 01:49:19,599
it and so he

2697
01:49:23,990 --> 01:49:22,719
you know had a lot of profit generated

2698
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:24,000
from this thing

2699
01:49:28,149 --> 01:49:26,239
in one form or another i wanted to

2700
01:49:31,030 --> 01:49:28,159
confront him with the evidence that we

2701
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:31,040
found that he also participated and

2702
01:49:35,510 --> 01:49:32,800
helped create this hoax

2703
01:49:38,149 --> 01:49:35,520
unfortunately i was unable to do that

2704
01:49:40,470 --> 01:49:38,159
because sean morton ufo expert who

2705
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:40,480
declared this genuine who also later

2706
01:49:45,510 --> 01:49:43,040
declared himself a psychic

2707
01:49:46,310 --> 01:49:45,520
and america's prophet

2708
01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:46,320
well

2709
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:48,080
for being a psychic i guess he wasn't a

2710
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:50,400
very good psychic because one thing he

2711
01:49:55,750 --> 01:49:52,560
didn't see in his future i guess

2712
01:49:58,550 --> 01:49:55,760
is federal prison that's right sean

2713
01:50:00,870 --> 01:49:58,560
morton who participated in this hoax and

2714
01:50:02,870 --> 01:50:00,880
profited from it greatly running around

2715
01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:02,880
doing lectures and promoting this as a

2716
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:05,760
genuine alien interview

2717
01:50:08,470 --> 01:50:06,880
he got

2718
01:50:12,070 --> 01:50:08,480
arrested

2719
01:50:13,990 --> 01:50:12,080
for fraud and i wanted to reach out to

2720
01:50:16,709 --> 01:50:14,000
him and have him participate in this

2721
01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:16,719
interview but unfortunately where mr

2722
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:19,360
morton is right now he has very few

2723
01:50:23,910 --> 01:50:21,920
phone privileges and he couldn't call

2724
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:23,920
or receive calls to be a part of our

2725
01:50:31,589 --> 01:50:26,639
show tonight because right now sean

2726
01:50:34,709 --> 01:50:31,599
morton is in federal prison for fraud

2727
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:34,719
even the fd ftc the federal trade

2728
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:37,360
commission called his claims of psychic

2729
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:38,400
ability

2730
01:50:44,950 --> 01:50:41,920
merely a scam to steal money from people

2731
01:50:47,030 --> 01:50:44,960
so that's what mr morton was doing

2732
01:50:49,189 --> 01:50:47,040
and was convicted of

2733
01:50:51,669 --> 01:50:49,199
in 2017

2734
01:50:54,229 --> 01:50:51,679
he was using his fake psychic abilities

2735
01:50:55,669 --> 01:50:54,239
to convince people to invest with him

2736
01:50:57,189 --> 01:50:55,679
and then he was just stealing all of

2737
01:50:59,109 --> 01:50:57,199
their money

2738
01:51:01,990 --> 01:50:59,119
so there's another great guy that

2739
01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:02,000
participated in this show who claimed

2740
01:51:06,629 --> 01:51:04,320
that it was genuine so what we have is

2741
01:51:09,189 --> 01:51:06,639
ufo expert robert dean

2742
01:51:10,790 --> 01:51:09,199
claiming this is genuine participating

2743
01:51:13,350 --> 01:51:10,800
in this hoax and we've

2744
01:51:15,990 --> 01:51:13,360
more than likely proven that

2745
01:51:17,030 --> 01:51:16,000
then we have sean morton america's

2746
01:51:19,589 --> 01:51:17,040
prophet

2747
01:51:22,470 --> 01:51:19,599
and psychic extraordinaire who used a

2748
01:51:25,270 --> 01:51:22,480
psychic ability to steal from people

2749
01:51:28,950 --> 01:51:25,280
declaring that this was genuine

2750
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:28,960
we have jim delatoso who was uh on this

2751
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:31,280
documentary as an image analyst

2752
01:51:36,629 --> 01:51:34,000
declaring that he found no signs of

2753
01:51:38,149 --> 01:51:36,639
deception on the film

2754
01:51:39,430 --> 01:51:38,159
more or less declaring that it was

2755
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:39,440
genuine

2756
01:51:43,910 --> 01:51:41,760
so what we have here folks is these

2757
01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:43,920
three so-called experts declaring that

2758
01:51:49,350 --> 01:51:46,800
this was genuine in one form or another

2759
01:51:51,910 --> 01:51:49,360
but i am able to show that all three of

2760
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:51,920
these people have no credibility any

2761
01:51:58,390 --> 01:51:54,239
credibility these three once had is gone

2762
01:52:00,790 --> 01:51:58,400
now based on the evidence i found

2763
01:52:02,470 --> 01:52:00,800
so my friends did we get any closer to

2764
01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:02,480
the truth tonight

2765
01:52:06,070 --> 01:52:04,639
i think we did

2766
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:06,080
even though the person we interviewed

2767
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:07,040
tonight

2768
01:52:12,229 --> 01:52:10,000
didn't want to let that truth go

2769
01:52:13,669 --> 01:52:12,239
to be honest after listening back to

2770
01:52:15,430 --> 01:52:13,679
this

2771
01:52:17,510 --> 01:52:15,440
i could hear the nervousness in his

2772
01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:17,520
voice i could hear

2773
01:52:21,589 --> 01:52:19,360
the deception

2774
01:52:23,669 --> 01:52:21,599
but maybe it was just me

2775
01:52:26,629 --> 01:52:23,679
and i wanted to be sure

2776
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:26,639
so as i mentioned previously we have

2777
01:52:32,790 --> 01:52:30,480
access to voice stress analysis software

2778
01:52:36,550 --> 01:52:32,800
often used as a lie detector

2779
01:52:39,030 --> 01:52:36,560
by law enforcement fbi and other

2780
01:52:39,990 --> 01:52:39,040
government agencies as an investigative

2781
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:40,000
tool

2782
01:52:44,149 --> 01:52:41,840
to help them know if someone is telling

2783
01:52:45,669 --> 01:52:44,159
the truth or not

2784
01:52:47,910 --> 01:52:45,679
and so what i did

2785
01:52:49,669 --> 01:52:47,920
is run the entire interview

2786
01:52:52,629 --> 01:52:49,679
through that software

2787
01:52:54,390 --> 01:52:52,639
checking to see if there was deception

2788
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:54,400
and what i got

2789
01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:55,760
was this thing

2790
01:53:00,390 --> 01:52:58,560
ringing over and over again

2791
01:53:01,990 --> 01:53:00,400
so in each and every question where i

2792
01:53:04,790 --> 01:53:02,000
directly confronted him with the

2793
01:53:08,629 --> 01:53:04,800
evidence that we found

2794
01:53:10,550 --> 01:53:08,639
what the software showed was deception

2795
01:53:12,550 --> 01:53:10,560
each of his answers

2796
01:53:14,149 --> 01:53:12,560
to all the questions where i directly

2797
01:53:15,189 --> 01:53:14,159
confronted him with the evidence we

2798
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:15,199
found

2799
01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:17,520
showed deception

2800
01:53:20,709 --> 01:53:19,920
and i gotta say i was kind of sad about

2801
01:53:22,870 --> 01:53:20,719
that

2802
01:53:23,830 --> 01:53:22,880
because i want to get to the truth

2803
01:53:25,750 --> 01:53:23,840
but

2804
01:53:28,149 --> 01:53:25,760
spend some time talking to this man and

2805
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:28,159
you kind of like him and i have to say

2806
01:53:32,229 --> 01:53:29,440
that had we met under different

2807
01:53:34,950 --> 01:53:32,239
circumstances i think we would become

2808
01:53:38,629 --> 01:53:34,960
fast friends we're both into ufos and

2809
01:53:40,790 --> 01:53:38,639
computer science and a lot of tech stuff

2810
01:53:42,709 --> 01:53:40,800
he comes off as very

2811
01:53:45,189 --> 01:53:42,719
believable

2812
01:53:47,830 --> 01:53:45,199
until you peel back a few layers

2813
01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:47,840
and then you start to wonder

2814
01:53:51,350 --> 01:53:50,320
did he just participate in this hoax for

2815
01:53:53,910 --> 01:53:51,360
money

2816
01:53:55,830 --> 01:53:53,920
and i gotta say that his explanation for

2817
01:53:57,589 --> 01:53:55,840
how the forensic software could have

2818
01:53:59,669 --> 01:53:57,599
matched him to the

2819
01:54:02,229 --> 01:53:59,679
person asking the questions as well as

2820
01:54:04,070 --> 01:54:02,239
the person answering them and everything

2821
01:54:05,669 --> 01:54:04,080
it's really far-fetched like well

2822
01:54:07,589 --> 01:54:05,679
there's some kind of maybe there was a

2823
01:54:09,990 --> 01:54:07,599
conspiracy against him and they all

2824
01:54:12,310 --> 01:54:10,000
secretly recorded his voice and then

2825
01:54:14,229 --> 01:54:12,320
spliced it all up to create this

2826
01:54:16,550 --> 01:54:14,239
elaborate hoax but he didn't know about

2827
01:54:18,149 --> 01:54:16,560
it come on

2828
01:54:20,709 --> 01:54:18,159
occam's razor

2829
01:54:21,589 --> 01:54:20,719
the simplest explanation is often the

2830
01:54:24,310 --> 01:54:21,599
truth

2831
01:54:26,470 --> 01:54:24,320
and to me the simplest explanation is

2832
01:54:28,950 --> 01:54:26,480
that he lied to us tonight and that he

2833
01:54:32,390 --> 01:54:28,960
did this and he did participate

2834
01:54:34,550 --> 01:54:32,400
in creating this elaborate hoax

2835
01:54:37,589 --> 01:54:34,560
now i will leave the door open to the

2836
01:54:39,270 --> 01:54:37,599
possibility that i could be wrong

2837
01:54:41,830 --> 01:54:39,280
but after the interview i sent him all

2838
01:54:43,109 --> 01:54:41,840
my proof and tried to talk to him again

2839
01:54:45,910 --> 01:54:43,119
and

2840
01:54:47,910 --> 01:54:45,920
he would not contact me back

2841
01:54:49,430 --> 01:54:47,920
and that my friends

2842
01:54:51,070 --> 01:54:49,440
his silence

2843
01:54:52,149 --> 01:54:51,080
after being confronted with the proof

2844
01:54:54,390 --> 01:54:52,159
[Music]

2845
01:54:56,310 --> 01:54:54,400
speaks louder than words

2846
01:54:58,629 --> 01:54:56,320
see i thought a lot about it and if i

2847
01:55:01,350 --> 01:54:58,639
was just some image analyst that

2848
01:55:02,790 --> 01:55:01,360
participated in some project 20 or

2849
01:55:05,189 --> 01:55:02,800
more years ago

2850
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:05,199
and that's all i did and then somebody

2851
01:55:09,030 --> 01:55:06,960
accused me of

2852
01:55:11,750 --> 01:55:09,040
being involved in

2853
01:55:13,109 --> 01:55:11,760
creating a hoax out of that thing

2854
01:55:15,589 --> 01:55:13,119
i don't know

2855
01:55:18,550 --> 01:55:15,599
me i think like most people would scream

2856
01:55:19,990 --> 01:55:18,560
from the rooftops you are wrong and if

2857
01:55:21,990 --> 01:55:20,000
you listen to this interview he didn't

2858
01:55:23,910 --> 01:55:22,000
really protest that much he didn't

2859
01:55:25,030 --> 01:55:23,920
really scream from the rooftops that i

2860
01:55:27,109 --> 01:55:25,040
was wrong

2861
01:55:29,430 --> 01:55:27,119
he provided some alternate explanation

2862
01:55:32,870 --> 01:55:29,440
for what could have happened

2863
01:55:35,189 --> 01:55:32,880
but i don't believe it in fact i believe

2864
01:55:37,669 --> 01:55:35,199
that the results of our investigation

2865
01:55:39,589 --> 01:55:37,679
show the proof of what really happened

2866
01:55:41,669 --> 01:55:39,599
here with this thing and you know my

2867
01:55:44,149 --> 01:55:41,679
friends i've just come to this i've

2868
01:55:46,229 --> 01:55:44,159
spent far too much of my time

2869
01:55:49,669 --> 01:55:46,239
investigating something that i am now

2870
01:55:51,990 --> 01:55:49,679
nearly 100 sure is just a complete and

2871
01:55:53,510 --> 01:55:52,000
total hoax

2872
01:55:55,669 --> 01:55:53,520
what we get to

2873
01:55:56,629 --> 01:55:55,679
is some kind of proof

2874
01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:56,639
proof

2875
01:56:01,030 --> 01:55:59,280
that it was most likely robert dean

2876
01:56:03,510 --> 01:56:01,040
sitting in his living room pretending to

2877
01:56:05,830 --> 01:56:03,520
be victor making some gestures

2878
01:56:07,030 --> 01:56:05,840
and then they bring in someone very

2879
01:56:09,910 --> 01:56:07,040
technical

2880
01:56:11,430 --> 01:56:09,920
like jim deletoso to ask the questions

2881
01:56:14,709 --> 01:56:11,440
and then answer them

2882
01:56:16,709 --> 01:56:14,719
and they construct this amalgam of this

2883
01:56:18,870 --> 01:56:16,719
victor character

2884
01:56:20,149 --> 01:56:18,880
it took a few people to make this

2885
01:56:21,750 --> 01:56:20,159
illusion work

2886
01:56:24,070 --> 01:56:21,760
but i assure you

2887
01:56:26,229 --> 01:56:24,080
that this was an illusion

2888
01:56:28,790 --> 01:56:26,239
now my anonymous source also told me

2889
01:56:30,550 --> 01:56:28,800
that of course the creature was just a

2890
01:56:33,430 --> 01:56:30,560
puppet

2891
01:56:35,270 --> 01:56:33,440
but he we tried very hard to get to who

2892
01:56:37,430 --> 01:56:35,280
made the puppet who worked the puppet

2893
01:56:38,390 --> 01:56:37,440
and a lot of different things

2894
01:56:40,149 --> 01:56:38,400
but

2895
01:56:42,629 --> 01:56:40,159
we weren't able to do that

2896
01:56:45,669 --> 01:56:42,639
but what i will say is this if they were

2897
01:56:48,950 --> 01:56:45,679
willing to construct a carefully

2898
01:56:51,430 --> 01:56:48,960
crafted illusion of some whistleblower

2899
01:56:54,790 --> 01:56:51,440
character and that we've proven i mean

2900
01:56:57,189 --> 01:56:54,800
beyond the doubt we've proven that they

2901
01:56:59,910 --> 01:56:57,199
used all kinds of deception to create an

2902
01:57:02,229 --> 01:56:59,920
illusion of a whistleblower character

2903
01:57:04,629 --> 01:57:02,239
that was complete and total

2904
01:57:06,870 --> 01:57:04,639
we've proven that

2905
01:57:09,350 --> 01:57:06,880
and though i have not proven a hundred

2906
01:57:10,950 --> 01:57:09,360
percent that it was just a puppet

2907
01:57:13,030 --> 01:57:10,960
our anonymous source tells us it was

2908
01:57:14,550 --> 01:57:13,040
just a puppet and that this was filmed

2909
01:57:16,870 --> 01:57:14,560
on a set they built

2910
01:57:20,310 --> 01:57:16,880
kind of half-assed and rushed into

2911
01:57:22,790 --> 01:57:20,320
production to make this hoax work

2912
01:57:25,109 --> 01:57:22,800
and i'm inclined to believe that because

2913
01:57:27,030 --> 01:57:25,119
after all if they

2914
01:57:29,189 --> 01:57:27,040
were willing to create an illusion of

2915
01:57:31,430 --> 01:57:29,199
the whistleblower character why not be

2916
01:57:34,470 --> 01:57:31,440
willing to create the illusion of an

2917
01:57:36,149 --> 01:57:34,480
alien being interviewed in a room in

2918
01:57:38,950 --> 01:57:36,159
area 51

2919
01:57:41,589 --> 01:57:38,960
and i gotta tell you kind of sad

2920
01:57:43,350 --> 01:57:41,599
now knowing that this thing is all fake

2921
01:57:45,910 --> 01:57:43,360
i remember watching this as a child and

2922
01:57:47,830 --> 01:57:45,920
thinking wow the government has aliens

2923
01:57:50,790 --> 01:57:47,840
captured and i was actually sad about

2924
01:57:52,629 --> 01:57:50,800
that like who is this alien does he have

2925
01:57:54,470 --> 01:57:52,639
a family or friends back home that are

2926
01:57:56,149 --> 01:57:54,480
missing him and why is the government

2927
01:57:58,790 --> 01:57:56,159
keeping him locked up in some kind of

2928
01:58:00,629 --> 01:57:58,800
cage in area 51.

2929
01:58:02,470 --> 01:58:00,639
here on the mystery man show we

2930
01:58:04,629 --> 01:58:02,480
investigate for you some of the greatest

2931
01:58:07,189 --> 01:58:04,639
mysteries on planet earth and this was

2932
01:58:09,270 --> 01:58:07,199
one of them for over 20 years no one was

2933
01:58:11,750 --> 01:58:09,280
able to debunk this

2934
01:58:13,669 --> 01:58:11,760
and i think tonight we definitively

2935
01:58:16,070 --> 01:58:13,679
proved that they used an awful lot of

2936
01:58:18,149 --> 01:58:16,080
deception to put this thing together

2937
01:58:22,070 --> 01:58:18,159
which would lead most rational people to

2938
01:58:23,910 --> 01:58:22,080
believe that this thing is just a hoax

2939
01:58:24,870 --> 01:58:23,920
and maybe it's just me fellow true

2940
01:58:27,350 --> 01:58:24,880
seekers

2941
01:58:29,589 --> 01:58:27,360
but i'm tired of wasting my time going

2942
01:58:31,109 --> 01:58:29,599
down rabbit holes trying to get to the

2943
01:58:33,189 --> 01:58:31,119
truth of this thing

2944
01:58:36,149 --> 01:58:33,199
when people like this will create these

2945
01:58:38,149 --> 01:58:36,159
elaborate hoaxes just to make some money

2946
01:58:40,550 --> 01:58:38,159
if you ask me

2947
01:58:43,109 --> 01:58:40,560
somebody behind this thing should face

2948
01:58:45,350 --> 01:58:43,119
criminal charges after all

2949
01:58:50,070 --> 01:58:45,360
they've been stealing money from people

2950
01:58:51,990 --> 01:58:50,080
for over 20 years presenting what is now

2951
01:58:55,109 --> 01:58:52,000
pretty definitively proven as a

2952
01:58:56,550 --> 01:58:55,119
deceptive illusionary hoax designed to

2953
01:58:58,229 --> 01:58:56,560
make money

2954
01:59:00,149 --> 01:58:58,239
now the main producer of this project

2955
01:59:03,109 --> 01:59:00,159
whose only other claim to fame is that

2956
01:59:05,510 --> 01:59:03,119
incredible movie teen wolf uh i reached

2957
01:59:07,030 --> 01:59:05,520
out to him several times and you know

2958
01:59:09,990 --> 01:59:07,040
he's got all these companies that kind

2959
01:59:12,070 --> 01:59:10,000
of start and fold and then he's the ceo

2960
01:59:13,750 --> 01:59:12,080
of a new company and that folds and now

2961
01:59:15,510 --> 01:59:13,760
he's working for some other company and

2962
01:59:17,910 --> 01:59:15,520
it's just a voicemail

2963
01:59:19,669 --> 01:59:17,920
and you know i left a bunch of messages

2964
01:59:21,910 --> 01:59:19,679
and i tried to get him on the show so i

2965
01:59:23,910 --> 01:59:21,920
can confront him too

2966
01:59:25,430 --> 01:59:23,920
no one ever called me back

2967
01:59:27,910 --> 01:59:25,440
and if you ask me

2968
01:59:30,070 --> 01:59:27,920
that guy belongs in prison i think for

2969
01:59:31,030 --> 01:59:30,080
stealing money from people for over 20

2970
01:59:34,310 --> 01:59:31,040
years

2971
01:59:36,950 --> 01:59:34,320
ladies and gentlemen i truly want to

2972
01:59:38,950 --> 01:59:36,960
believe but i want to believe the truth

2973
01:59:41,830 --> 01:59:38,960
and i'm not going to be easily fooled by

2974
01:59:44,790 --> 01:59:41,840
some bunch of guys that got together and

2975
01:59:47,189 --> 01:59:44,800
created the illusion of an alien being

2976
01:59:49,350 --> 01:59:47,199
interviewed at area 51

2977
01:59:50,709 --> 01:59:49,360
and created the illusion of some kind of

2978
01:59:52,629 --> 01:59:50,719
whistleblower

2979
01:59:55,270 --> 01:59:52,639
it's all a hoax folks

2980
01:59:57,189 --> 01:59:55,280
until someone proves to me otherwise

2981
01:59:58,950 --> 01:59:57,199
that's what i will believe

2982
02:00:01,510 --> 01:59:58,960
we've got a lot of great shows coming up

2983
02:00:04,310 --> 02:00:01,520
and i hope you will join us until then

2984
02:00:06,870 --> 02:00:04,320
i'm stephen cambion reminding you that

2985
02:00:12,030 --> 02:00:06,880
the truth really is out there you just

2986
02:00:12,040 --> 02:00:17,990
[Music]

2987
02:00:22,390 --> 02:00:20,870
not so fast friends you see the story's

2988
02:00:25,430 --> 02:00:22,400
not over yet

2989
02:00:27,350 --> 02:00:25,440
well this was the way the story ended

2990
02:00:29,830 --> 02:00:27,360
but there are some things with this

2991
02:00:32,390 --> 02:00:29,840
story that i should explain

2992
02:00:35,990 --> 02:00:32,400
first and foremost

2993
02:00:38,310 --> 02:00:36,000
jim delatoso was bluffed i bluffed him

2994
02:00:40,390 --> 02:00:38,320
i've left him in this episode saying

2995
02:00:43,189 --> 02:00:40,400
that he was the voice of victor and the

2996
02:00:45,430 --> 02:00:43,199
voice of the person asking the questions

2997
02:00:46,870 --> 02:00:45,440
i bluffed him saying that he was that

2998
02:00:49,430 --> 02:00:46,880
voice

2999
02:00:52,229 --> 02:00:49,440
for several reasons first

3000
02:00:53,510 --> 02:00:52,239
i wanted to speak to him and get him to

3001
02:00:58,310 --> 02:00:53,520
try

3002
02:01:00,709 --> 02:00:58,320
more information about his involvement

3003
02:01:02,550 --> 02:01:00,719
the people involved with this production

3004
02:01:06,070 --> 02:01:02,560
how things worked

3005
02:01:09,109 --> 02:01:06,080
how they may have perpetrated this hoax

3006
02:01:11,510 --> 02:01:09,119
so perhaps i was unfair to mr

3007
02:01:13,430 --> 02:01:11,520
jim deletoso despite what i think about

3008
02:01:15,430 --> 02:01:13,440
his other work being

3009
02:01:18,229 --> 02:01:15,440
let's just say less than

3010
02:01:22,629 --> 02:01:20,229
maybe i shouldn't have bluffed him the

3011
02:01:25,830 --> 02:01:22,639
way that i did here but

3012
02:01:27,910 --> 02:01:25,840
i was young and kind of naive and

3013
02:01:29,990 --> 02:01:27,920
uh

3014
02:01:32,870 --> 02:01:30,000
worried i was worried

3015
02:01:33,830 --> 02:01:32,880
because the truth is the real voice of

3016
02:01:36,870 --> 02:01:33,840
victor

3017
02:01:39,030 --> 02:01:36,880
in this alien interview hoax was jeff

3018
02:01:42,149 --> 02:01:39,040
broadstreet the director

3019
02:01:43,510 --> 02:01:42,159
he was also the voice asking victor the

3020
02:01:46,229 --> 02:01:43,520
questions

3021
02:01:49,430 --> 02:01:46,239
it's very clear to anybody with even a

3022
02:01:51,430 --> 02:01:49,440
decent ear if you listen to recorded

3023
02:01:53,750 --> 02:01:51,440
interviews of jeff broadstreet and then

3024
02:01:56,790 --> 02:01:53,760
you listen to the person asking the

3025
02:01:59,830 --> 02:01:56,800
questions in this alien interview hoax

3026
02:02:02,070 --> 02:01:59,840
it's jeff broadstreet the director

3027
02:02:04,870 --> 02:02:02,080
and as we displayed if you take the

3028
02:02:07,910 --> 02:02:04,880
pitch shifter and voice changer off of

3029
02:02:10,950 --> 02:02:07,920
the voice of victor jeff broadstreet is

3030
02:02:12,390 --> 02:02:10,960
also the voice of victor

3031
02:02:14,550 --> 02:02:12,400
why didn't i just approach jeff

3032
02:02:17,270 --> 02:02:14,560
broadstreet well

3033
02:02:19,430 --> 02:02:17,280
i had been warned by several people that

3034
02:02:23,270 --> 02:02:19,440
others

3035
02:02:26,310 --> 02:02:23,280
something similar to what i found and

3036
02:02:28,550 --> 02:02:26,320
went to jeff broad street and said hey

3037
02:02:30,629 --> 02:02:28,560
you hoaxed this thing you're asking the

3038
02:02:32,550 --> 02:02:30,639
questions and you're answering them this

3039
02:02:34,709 --> 02:02:32,560
is fake

3040
02:02:37,109 --> 02:02:34,719
and i had heard that jeff broad street

3041
02:02:39,030 --> 02:02:37,119
threatened to sue all those people

3042
02:02:40,470 --> 02:02:39,040
and being young and inexperienced i

3043
02:02:41,589 --> 02:02:40,480
didn't want to be sued

3044
02:02:52,310 --> 02:02:41,599
so

3045
02:02:55,270 --> 02:02:52,320
is because i wanted other people to

3046
02:02:57,430 --> 02:02:55,280
chime in and tell me no

3047
02:02:59,270 --> 02:02:57,440
the voice of victor and the voice of the

3048
02:03:02,390 --> 02:02:59,280
person asking that question

3049
02:03:03,990 --> 02:03:02,400
was not jim delatoso it was the director

3050
02:03:06,790 --> 02:03:04,000
jeff broadstreet

3051
02:03:08,390 --> 02:03:06,800
because then i could say hey i'm not

3052
02:03:11,270 --> 02:03:08,400
saying it's the voice of jim broad

3053
02:03:12,830 --> 02:03:11,280
street he can't sue me

3054
02:03:16,149 --> 02:03:12,840
i'm saying

3055
02:03:18,629 --> 02:03:16,159
that other people sent me emails and

3056
02:03:20,550 --> 02:03:18,639
messages claiming

3057
02:03:21,830 --> 02:03:20,560
that the voice of victor was jeff

3058
02:03:23,270 --> 02:03:21,840
broadstreet

3059
02:03:25,510 --> 02:03:23,280
and the voice

3060
02:03:27,910 --> 02:03:25,520
asking victor the question

3061
02:03:30,070 --> 02:03:27,920
was also jeff broadstreet and that

3062
02:03:32,390 --> 02:03:30,080
happened and i got multiple emails of

3063
02:03:34,629 --> 02:03:32,400
people claiming you're wrong stephen

3064
02:03:35,990 --> 02:03:34,639
that voice was not jim deletosos and how

3065
02:03:36,950 --> 02:03:36,000
dare you

3066
02:03:39,189 --> 02:03:36,960
uh

3067
02:03:41,510 --> 02:03:39,199
accuse him of doing that hoax it wasn't

3068
02:03:43,589 --> 02:03:41,520
him that did the hoax it was jeff broad

3069
02:03:45,430 --> 02:03:43,599
street

3070
02:03:48,069 --> 02:03:45,440
but

3071
02:03:51,350 --> 02:03:48,079
it took a while for this to happen

3072
02:03:53,910 --> 02:03:51,360
i let the episode stay up with me

3073
02:03:55,589 --> 02:03:53,920
accusing jim delatoso who was involved

3074
02:03:57,510 --> 02:03:55,599
in the production

3075
02:03:59,030 --> 02:03:57,520
uh but not the voice of victor i left

3076
02:04:02,310 --> 02:03:59,040
that up for a while

3077
02:04:05,350 --> 02:04:02,320
and let people send me messages and

3078
02:04:07,270 --> 02:04:05,360
i collected something like six people

3079
02:04:09,030 --> 02:04:07,280
saying no no the voice is jeff

3080
02:04:11,109 --> 02:04:09,040
broadstreet he's the one that did this

3081
02:04:13,350 --> 02:04:11,119
hoax

3082
02:04:16,149 --> 02:04:13,360
i always intended to get back to this

3083
02:04:17,750 --> 02:04:16,159
and explain this but i got sidetracked

3084
02:04:19,750 --> 02:04:17,760
and then the other thing is

3085
02:04:21,510 --> 02:04:19,760
i started watching jeff broadstreet's

3086
02:04:24,629 --> 02:04:21,520
movies you know

3087
02:04:26,550 --> 02:04:24,639
the good stuff that he produced after he

3088
02:04:27,830 --> 02:04:26,560
was involved in this alien interview

3089
02:04:31,270 --> 02:04:27,840
production

3090
02:04:33,109 --> 02:04:31,280
or hoax whatever you want to call it

3091
02:04:36,790 --> 02:04:33,119
and i just

3092
02:04:38,709 --> 02:04:36,800
i sort of forgave him honestly

3093
02:04:41,430 --> 02:04:38,719
jeff broadstreet

3094
02:04:44,069 --> 02:04:41,440
you could tell by his later

3095
02:04:46,629 --> 02:04:44,079
incredibly artistic productions

3096
02:04:49,910 --> 02:04:46,639
had all of the artistic talents and

3097
02:04:51,030 --> 02:04:49,920
skills necessary to put this hoax

3098
02:04:53,669 --> 02:04:51,040
together

3099
02:04:55,430 --> 02:04:53,679
and to this day i believe that he did

3100
02:04:57,430 --> 02:04:55,440
i believe that he

3101
02:05:00,870 --> 02:04:57,440
robert dean and others

3102
02:05:03,510 --> 02:05:00,880
conspired together to create this hoax

3103
02:05:05,589 --> 02:05:03,520
and make money from it

3104
02:05:08,229 --> 02:05:05,599
like i said later i started watching

3105
02:05:10,470 --> 02:05:08,239
some of his movies that i think

3106
02:05:13,589 --> 02:05:10,480
i think that he's incredibly incredibly

3107
02:05:14,629 --> 02:05:13,599
talented and i sort of forgot to ever

3108
02:05:17,990 --> 02:05:14,639
update

3109
02:05:19,030 --> 02:05:18,000
this episode of the midnight hour show

3110
02:05:21,030 --> 02:05:19,040
so

3111
02:05:23,669 --> 02:05:21,040
now you know the rest of the story

3112
02:05:25,189 --> 02:05:23,679
the voice of victor was definitely jeff

3113
02:05:29,109 --> 02:05:25,199
broadstreet

3114
02:05:33,189 --> 02:05:29,119
the voice of the interviewer asking

3115
02:05:35,830 --> 02:05:33,199
victor the questions was also definitely

3116
02:05:38,709 --> 02:05:35,840
jeff broadstreet

3117
02:05:40,790 --> 02:05:38,719
but what can i say

3118
02:05:43,030 --> 02:05:40,800
i did the best that i could do at the

3119
02:05:44,310 --> 02:05:43,040
time and now i hope that this corrects

3120
02:05:45,270 --> 02:05:44,320
the record

3121
02:05:48,790 --> 02:05:45,280
and

3122
02:05:51,270 --> 02:05:48,800
a public apology to jim delatoso my aim

3123
02:05:52,550 --> 02:05:51,280
was simply to bluff jim and then get him

3124
02:05:55,510 --> 02:05:52,560
to

3125
02:05:58,069 --> 02:05:55,520
talk more about his part in the hoax and

3126
02:06:00,310 --> 02:05:58,079
maybe i could get him to reveal

3127
02:06:02,870 --> 02:06:00,320
more information about this hoax how it

3128
02:06:04,870 --> 02:06:02,880
was perpetrated what he heard

3129
02:06:07,189 --> 02:06:04,880
what went on with the making of this

3130
02:06:08,870 --> 02:06:07,199
hoax

3131
02:06:11,910 --> 02:06:08,880
i did the best that i could with my

3132
02:06:13,109 --> 02:06:11,920
current uh with my at the time meager

3133
02:06:14,149 --> 02:06:13,119
skill set

3134
02:06:16,629 --> 02:06:14,159
to

3135
02:06:18,470 --> 02:06:16,639
reveal this hoax for what it was

3136
02:06:20,790 --> 02:06:18,480
regardless of who the voice of victor

3137
02:06:22,950 --> 02:06:20,800
really was and i do believe it was jeff

3138
02:06:24,470 --> 02:06:22,960
broad street and so does everyone else

3139
02:06:27,189 --> 02:06:24,480
go listen to his interviews and listen

3140
02:06:30,229 --> 02:06:27,199
to this voice of victor again

3141
02:06:32,149 --> 02:06:30,239
despite that

3142
02:06:35,109 --> 02:06:32,159
whoever the voice of victor was that's

3143
02:06:38,470 --> 02:06:35,119
really not important the important part

3144
02:06:41,589 --> 02:06:38,480
is that this was a manufactured hoax

3145
02:06:43,910 --> 02:06:41,599
that was created

3146
02:06:46,310 --> 02:06:43,920
by a team of people

3147
02:06:50,149 --> 02:06:46,320
intent on creating a hoax

3148
02:06:54,470 --> 02:06:52,550
i suppose even though it's a hoax it

3149
02:06:55,910 --> 02:06:54,480
still deserves its place

3150
02:06:59,270 --> 02:06:55,920
in history

3151
02:07:01,030 --> 02:06:59,280
in the history of ufos and aliens

3152
02:07:03,830 --> 02:07:01,040
but i hope that it finds its rightful

3153
02:07:07,109 --> 02:07:03,840
place as a manufactured hoax

3154
02:07:08,470 --> 02:07:07,119
manufactured by jeff broadstreet

3155
02:07:11,589 --> 02:07:08,480
robert dean

3156
02:07:13,750 --> 02:07:11,599
jim delatoso and others

3157
02:07:16,629 --> 02:07:13,760
it's not quite as impressive as far as

3158
02:07:19,750 --> 02:07:16,639
financial compensation goes as the alien

3159
02:07:22,310 --> 02:07:19,760
autopsy hoax but these people still

3160
02:07:23,910 --> 02:07:22,320
potentially made millions

3161
02:07:25,270 --> 02:07:23,920
creating this hoax

3162
02:07:26,950 --> 02:07:25,280
and to this day

3163
02:07:30,950 --> 02:07:26,960
they're still selling the special

3164
02:07:32,470 --> 02:07:30,960
edition dvd on a website and you too

3165
02:07:35,830 --> 02:07:32,480
can believe

3166
02:07:37,750 --> 02:07:35,840
that a puppet and a director

3167
02:07:40,069 --> 02:07:37,760
both asking the questions and answering

3168
02:07:42,950 --> 02:07:40,079
them as some secret government insider

3169
02:07:44,790 --> 02:07:42,960
whistleblower just may be real

3170
02:07:48,149 --> 02:07:44,800
but it's not

3171
02:07:49,669 --> 02:07:48,159
and i hoped we helped educate you

3172
02:07:52,069 --> 02:07:49,679
until next time friends my name is